[Help Thread] What should I learn next?

[DELToS]

sunes arent that bad, people just dont take the time to find good algs. Do Pi next, recog is easy and algs are pretty nice.

for CLL, I know H, Pi, and Pretty much U. After securing these, what order should I learn the rest of the sets?

 

[PenguinsDontFly]

for CLL, I know H, Pi, and Pretty much U. After securing these, what order should I learn the rest of the sets?

after finishing U, I find its best to do T then either S/As and L last. (I have learned like 150 corners algs, so I think I'm pretty qualified xD)

 

[Lykos]

Priotization for Learning Stuff

Hi, I am currently having a lot of fun learning new stuff about speedcubing. Can someone maybe tell me what is the right prioritization for the following things. Note that eventually I will probably want to learn all of them, so my question is not "which one is useful" but "which one is most important".

- COLL
- summer/winter variation
- VHLS
- Choosing better OLL/PLL (I took most of them from badmephistos page and some friends told me that those ones are more optimized for ease of learning, but there are faster ones, also I still use 2 that a friend tought me 10 years ago that are rather slow and I don't know anyone except me who used them)
- Some edge control during the F2L.
- Maybe something else?

Maybe a few words about my current level: I recently reached sub 40, but I would say I am not a very typical speedcuber. I cannot turn fast (and practice doesn't help, I've been doing it for 10 years already) and I cannot think very fast. But the nice thing is, there are always different ways to get faster. I just get faster by learning more stuff. I will never get sub 10 or so, but even with slow turning and thinking, it is possible to get good times if you are very efficient. For example current project is to learn all F2L cases. I don't mean the 40 basic cases, I mean all special cases with empty slots or pieces in other slots etc. Other cubers with similar times can turn faster, but I get shorter algorithms, in the end, we reach the same goal. Most people learn full OLL when they are already averaging around 30, I used it to get sub 40 averages. Etc. And now I am looking for the next project.

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[DELToS]

well you should learn intuitive F2L, then choose some better OLL and PLL. Learn some of the really easy edge control cases. COLL would probably be next then summer/winter variation, then VHLS

 

[sqAree]

Hi.

You can basically start doing edge control during F2L immediately ; by just using sledgehammer instead of R U R' insert if all edges are unoriented.
Then I'd recommend to go for better OLL/PLL algs, it's really worth it as you'll use and drill them all time.
Winter variation next.
I know your question is not what is useful but as VHLS is not useful at all I'd at least recommend learning it last.

 

[Lykos]

Ok. I am currently doing intuitive F2L. But I figured out that for many cases with pieces in other slots or empty slots, there are much shorter (and sometimes quite amazing) sequences. Therefore I am now just learning all the cases to improve my F2L efficiency for those cases.

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[Kudz]

VLS or ZBLL?
I was going to learn VLS, but it goes a bit harder than normal LL algs.

 

[Lykos]

I know your question is not what is useful but as VHLS is not useful at all I'd at least recommend learning it last.

Ok, that is a different matter. I mostly said that I didn't want to know what is useful because I expected that anyway the answer is "all of them". But if you say VHLS is not as useful as it sounds, I might save some time on that one.

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[TheRubiksCombo]

What Algorithm Sets Should I Learn After Full CFOP?

I just finished learning full CFOP and I don't know what to learn next. I average about 18-19 seconds. What algorithm sets should I start learning if any?
Thanks.

 

[PurpleBanana]

COLL or Winter Variation.

 

[TheRubiksCombo]

Thank you! I started learning COLL but never thought about Winter Variation.

 

[obelisk477]

VLS, CLS, BLE, 2GLL, some OLLCP, WV, COLL (but not S or AS), easy recog ZBLLs

 

[RadCubing]

Got a new pb of 31 seconds,which I am very happy about.

I don't seem to be progressing very quickly.
I have tried look ahead although I am not great at it.
I guess F2L pairs is what I should learn next, but do you think I should learn full OLL or PLL as well?

Please let me know

 

[TheFearlessPro]

Learn 4LLL at the moment if you haven't. Keep practicing f2l too. Also I see you do the A-perm with the back moves. What I do instead is x R' U R' D2 R U' R' D2 R2. Easier to fingertrick and faster. After practicing a ton you can get sub 30s. I use lbl + 4lll and get sum sub 30s and stay in the 30-40s range

 

[Jason Green]

Your biggest time improvements will come from F2L still, but I would probably go ahead and start working on full PLL and then OLL. I think I did PLL when I was a little under 40. It helped my motivation because I was still learning more and felt accomplished for that, even if my improvement was slow.

Also improving your cross can help a lot. I'm about 23 seconds now and still not great at cross out look ahead.

 

[pyr14]

if you want to be sub 30 then just learn f2l. u dont need anything fancy for your last layer.

however. if u want to be sub 25, then learn 4LLL and f2l (4 look last layer [2 look OLL, 2 look PLL]) learn better u-perms, learn how to diag swap corners, learn h/z perm and learn all the cross OLLs
if you practise this 4lll and f2l a lot, you might even get low 20 or sub 20.

 

[SuperZecton]

Just learn 2 look oll and pll if you haven't and slowly learn perms. G perms are pretty hard to recognize so just learn t,y,j,u,a,r perms and it should be enough

 

[CubingGenius]

I use ZZ and I am currently learning ZBLL. Once I complete this, what algorithm subsets should I learn next?

I thought about learning to skip LL on certain F2L cases. Is this a good idea?

 

[PenguinsDontFly]

CLS, MGLS, ZBLS, other last slot stuff. Once youre done zbll and you use zz then there isnt much point in learning much more.

 

[CubingGenius]

CLS, MGLS, ZBLS, other last slot stuff. Once youre done zbll and you use zz then there isnt much point in learning much more.

Thanks for the reply. CLS sounds quite good to sometimes skip to PLL.

Just wondering, how frequently would a L5C case come up? And do you know how many cases there would be? I remember Feliks Zemdegs had a solve in a 6.57 avg5 with a L5C case and he used that to skip LL.