The ZZVolution.

[GAN 356 X]

Hey ZZers.
How do I do zz?
I don't know.
To your point that you get lucky singles, I average 35-40 with CFOP and my pb is 20.xx. 15 seconds.

I do not understand the whole orienting edges and EO line thing

 

[PapaSmurf]

An edge can be flipped or not flipped. An edge is flipped if you have to use F and B turns to solve it, therefore you need F and B turns to flip it. See if you can figure it out. If not, look at http://cube.crider.co.uk/zz.php

 

[GuRoux]

My current views on method optimality:

2H: CFOP/Roux
OH: Roux
Feet: ZZ/CFOP

Don't discount roux for feet so easily. [E,R] moveset for LSE can potentially be pretty fast. And with few moves and few rotations, I'm seeing a possibly great feet method.

 

[GAN 356 X]

But isn't constituency more important than lucky singles? With CFOP I consistently average around 23 seconds

My current views on method optimality:

2H: CFOP/Roux
OH: Roux
Feet: ZZ/CFOP

But isn't Roux harder for OH because of M slices?

 

[Cuberstache]

But isn't Roux harder for OH because of M slices?

 

[GAN 356 X]

What methods to Max and Feliks use? I can see that roux would be good because of its lower move count but getting used to going OH M slices might be hard

 

[Zeke Mackay]

What methods to Max and Feliks use? I can see that roux would be good because of its lower move count but getting used to going OH M slices might be hard

Max and Faz both use CFOP, but despite M slices being difficult to get used to, Roux is objectively better.

 

[GuRoux]

wow, the poll results are amazing. As someone who started using roux in 2013, it's crazy to see that roux is actually starting to become very popular. perhaps one day, it'll be the main speedcubing method.

 

[Cubinwitdapizza]

wow, the poll results are amazing. As someone who started using roux in 2013, it's crazy to see that roux is actually starting to become very popular. perhaps one day, it'll be the main speedcubing method.

Ya I feel like this backfired...

 

[Underwatercuber]

Max and Faz both use CFOP, but despite M slices being difficult to get used to, Roux is objectively better.

How is it objectively better

 

[GAN 356 X]

How is it objectively better

Evidence...

 

[Underwatercuber]

Evidence...

such as?

 

[Underwatercuber]

The evidence is me averaging 25 OH, with 18 2H, which doesn't really happen in any other method other than Roux, when you are a world class OHer, the difference might not be as much, but it is much easier to get faster at OH with Roux with its movecount and ergonomics

Lol

 

[GuRoux]

I wonder if you polled the top 100 OH solvers on what the best method for OH is, what the results would be.

 

[WombatWarrior17]

The evidence is me averaging 25 OH, with 18 2H, which doesn't really happen in any other method other than Roux,

If you're going to present evidence, please make it actual evidence. I avged 25 OH and 18 2H with CFOP, and avg 15 OH and 12 2H with ZZ. I believe Roux is the best OH method, but your reasoning is false.

 

[Parke187]

Vanilla zz is pretty garbage, some variants can be good though.

 

[GAN 356 X]

J perm made a video on the matter recently. He made good arguments and both CFOP and Roux came out on top. ZZ suffered from bad ergonomics and regroups, and bad look ahead

 

[Deleted member 36445]

Bad ergonomics? Lol

 

[Underwatercuber]

Bad ergonomics? Lol

R U L isn’t exactly the best set..

 

[GuRoux]

[R,U,L] shouldn't be a bad moveset. especially with zzcross so there are no R2 or L2s. it just doesn't seem clear to me that zz is inferior to roux or cfop.