The method debate thread

[Nir1213]

kian doesn't practice OH anymore

there must be other people who are good at oh roux right?

 

[DNF_Cuber]

there must be other people who are good at oh roux right?

It isn't all that popular, with the overwhelming use of CFOP it is amazing that roux had the OH WR even once, which I think shows that Roux OH is better. Luri Grangerio and Tudor Lin have the 4th and 6th best OH averages with Roux though

 

[Eamon]

there must be other people who are good at oh roux right?

yeah....there are only a few fast cubers who uses roux, like sean, kian, alex(he pretty much quit cubing). sean doesn't practice OH that much(he's not sub 15 lol). and kian doesn't practice OH much recently, so max park.....

 

[Deleted member 55877]

there must be other people who are good at oh roux right?

I think there's a lot of people who are really good at Roux OH, but no one knows about them yet because all comps were cancelled recently

 

[Garf]

Here's my opinion:
2x2: Ortega, but cll when bottom layer is fully solved.
3x3: Cfop, but roux when necessary.
4x4: Yau
5x5: Redux.
Sq-1: Screw
Pyraminx: KeyHole
Megaminx: Star, F2l, S2l, 2-look Oll, 2-look Pll.

 

[ProStar]

2x2: Ortega, but cll when bottom layer is fully solved.

No.

 

[Deleted member 55877]

2x2: Ortega, but cll when bottom layer is fully solved.

Assuming you don't know EG (which is best), Ortega shouldn't be used often if you know CLL. You can force cases where bottom layer is solved so that you can use CLL, which is better than doing Ortega

Sq-1: Screw

Screw is bad. Vandenbergh and Lin are objectively better

Megaminx: Star, F2l, S2l, 2-look Oll, 2-look Pll.

That's called Westlund

 

[Eamon]

Here's my opinion:
2x2: Ortega, but cll when bottom layer is fully solved.
3x3: Cfop, but roux when necessary.
4x4: Yau
5x5: Redux.
Sq-1: Screw
Pyraminx: KeyHole
Megaminx: Star, F2l, S2l, 2-look Oll, 2-look Pll.

EG for 2x2 is objectively the best
5x5, yau or redux are the best
1-flip for pyraminx is the best imo

 

[BenChristman1]

2x2: Ortega, but cll when bottom layer is fully solved.

Just no. EG+CLL is miles ahead of Ortega.

3x3: Cfop, but roux when necessary.

I'm not going to get into this debate, but I use CFOP. And are you saying that you should be method neutral with CFOP and Roux? If so, that's not true at all.

4x4: Yau

Yes

5x5: Redux.

I think Yau is better, but a lot of people will disagree.

Sq-1: Screw

Just no again. Vandenbergh is way better, and Lin is about the same, although I would say it's slightly worse.

Pyraminx: KeyHole

I'm not even sure what this is on pyraminx, but no again. L4E or Top First are way better.

Megaminx: Star, F2l, S2l, 2-look Oll, 2-look Pll.

Obviously Westlund with 2LLL is optimal, but a lot of people aren't going to go through the work of learning 1-look PLL and 1-look OLL for megaminx.

 

[Deleted member 55877]

I think Yau is better, but a lot of people will disagree.

I think Yau = Redux for 5x5

 

[DNF_Cuber]

Pyraminx: KeyHole

Key hole is like beginner top first, it is greatly improved on with Oka and One Flip

 

[Eamon]

Oka is a great intermidiate method, but it's not as good as keyhole imo

 

[Deleted member 55877]

I think top-first methods (keyhole, oka, 1-flip, etc) are equal to L4E. But L4E is more straightforward imo

 

[DNF_Cuber]

Oka is a great intermidiate method, but it's not as good as keyhole imo

Oka is higher level than keyhole actually. Yohei Oka set many world records back in the day

 

[Seth1448]

I think yau is best for 4x4 and redux is great for 5x5

 

[DNF_Cuber]

I think yau is best for 4x4 and redux is great for 5x5

Wow, I wonder if Yau has been the only 4x4 method to set WRs for several years.Oh, it has o_O

 

[Eamon]

Oka is higher level than keyhole actually. Yohei Oka set many world records back in the day

ok, i am faster with keyhole than with oka

 

[PetraPine]

Yeah, I find Roux blockbuilding way easier, plus with beginner alg load roux L10p is way easier than petrus LL movecount wise

petrus with oll/pll/coll/pll is still more efficient than roux

 

[Garf]

3x3: Cfop, but roux when necessary.

When I first got into speedcubing and was learning CFOP, I stumbled across Roux. A few days ago, I learned LSE. That's why I say to be method neutral. You may not agree.

Although, now to think of it, I'd rather stick to one method of the other. Roux or CFOP? CMLL or OLL and PLL?

 

[Deleted member 55877]

Although, now to think of it, I'd rather stick to one method of the other. Roux or CFOP? CMLL or OLL and PLL?

It depends on you and how you like to solve. Do you like intuitive solving and making your solves as efficient as possible? Or do you like more straightforward solving and spamming TPS?