Should WCA Bring Back Age Statistics?

[IRNjuggle28]

Surely everyone goes to competition to get recognition, otherwise what's the point of going? You can always cube on your own or with a group of friends.

I don't think most people do it for recognition. I think most people do it because they enjoy cubing competitively, and enjoy the social enviornment competitions give. But regardless, I wouldn't have a problem with him wanting recognition if it wasn't the only thing he wanted. "I quit going to competitions as soon as the statistic that made me feel special stopped being public" doesn't sit well.

maybe make the updating of the age weekly or monthly, so people wont know the exact date?

Great idea.

I would be all for it if people were able to have accounts on the WCA website, with the choice to opt-in to having their age released.

Yeah, that sounds like it would work well. :tu

 

[RicardoRix]

I don't think most people do it for recognition. I think most people do it because they enjoy cubing competitively, and enjoy the social enviornment competitions give. But regardless, I wouldn't have a problem with him wanting recognition if it wasn't the only thing he wanted. "I quit going to competitions as soon as the statistic that made me feel special stopped being public" doesn't sit well.

I think it's up to the individual why they do or don't want to go to a competition, if he wants recognition for his (old) age then why is that so bad?
If nobody wants recognition then the WCA stats pages wouldn't even exist.

Great idea.

That's not how things work under the hood, specific dates are stored in a Database. Things don't get updated weekly or monthly, they just exist. Probably best to store everyone's DOB as the 1st of the Month (no that doesn't work), or a random number of days away from their actual birthday, but not 0 days of course.

 

[IRNjuggle28]

I think it's up to the individual why they do or don't want to go to a competition, if he wants recognition for his (old) age then why is that so bad?
If nobody wants recognition then the WCA stats pages wouldn't even exist.

I probably shouldn't explain my view any more than I already have. Wouldn't want to get another infraction. In short, it struck me as selfish.

 

[Dene]

You got an infraction for that? Gee wizz that's tough. Having a strong opinion around here just isn't allowed anymore...

 

[rjohnson_8ball]

I probably shouldn't explain my view any more than I already have. Wouldn't want to get another infraction. In short, it struck me as selfish.

You misinterpreted me. I did not "quit" competitions because age statistics were removed. I merely lost my motivation for going. I am not a fast cuber, so I need to justify to myself why I should travel and spend time at a competition.

 

[IRNjuggle28]

You misinterpreted me. I did not "quit" competitions because age statistics were removed. I merely lost my motivation for going. I am not a fast cuber, so I need to justify to myself why I should travel and spend time at a competition.

Competitions being enjoyable isn't justification enough? I don't understand how you can't justify going to one that way. You don't need any big, meaningful justification. "I want to do it because it's fun" should be plenty. I also don't see how being one of the oldest people ever to blindsolve is justification. How come that would be "meaningful" enough to convince you to go?

Like you, I'm not a fast solver. And like you (now that age stats are removed) I do not get one iota of recognition or praise for going to competitions. I don't even have my WCA ID listed on my speedsolving forum account. But I don't need to in order to justify going to competitions. I do it because I enjoy it. Period.

 

[Frubix]

I agree, it was really nice to watch those statistics, I would love it if they came back

 

[okayama]

I still desire the revival of age stats.
Any chance in 2015?

I don't intend the date of birth being public, but just age.
That is, not full-information of age (like 32.67 years old), but just simple age (like 32 years old).
Furthermore, not all competitors' age, but only the top of the competitors.
I'd like to emphasize again that I have never heard complaint from the competitors
in the age stats, but just heard that they are proud of it.

 

[tseitsei]

I still desire the revival of age stats.
Any chance in 2015?

I don't intend the date of birth being public, but just age.
That is, not full-information of age (like 32.67 years old), but just simple age (like 32 years old).
Furthermore, not all competitors' age, but only the top of the competitors.
I'd like to emphasize again that I have never heard complaint from the competitors
in the age stats, but just heard that they are proud of it.

I'm not an expert but I think it's more of a legal issues that come with showing peoples age. We would need everyones explicit permission to do that
And only showing a year will still reveal the exact date. You just need to see when the age changes...

 

[TylerBrodzinski]

But does age necessarily affect speed? I don't like age stats as I feel it would discourage younger competitors when they see themselves on top of their age group.

 

[MatsBergsten]

I surely would like to get the age statistics back. Being 64 and with the slowest TPS in Sweden at least.
I do think TPS is age related. If not the exact statistics, then at least the diagrams with dots for each "age-record"
for (almost) all events. I enjoyed them much.

But I go to competitions anyhow (it is real fun). As to displaying birth date just display [comp-year - birth-year] even
if the exact date is stored in the database. Then everyones age ticks up one year 1 January and at no other time.

I also of course support anyones wish to not have their age displayed. I also support the thing
about not showing age under say 10 years (discussed it with Ron this August in Roskilde).

 

[Randomno]

I'm not an expert but I think it's more of a legal issues that come with showing peoples age. We would need everyones explicit permission to do that
And only showing a year will still reveal the exact date. You just need to see when the age changes...

Therefore, I'd like to suggest an additional rule for Age vs. Speed
or such a stat. Like this:

2d+++) ADDITION
Competitors must agree that WCA may use their date of birth
for maintaining statistics.

2char

 

[tseitsei]

@Randomno
What if someone doesn't want to show their age on WCA page?
Then they can't compete if that is added?

Not cool IMO

 

[EvilGnome6]

I'm in my 40s and would definitely be interested in seeing rankings based on age group. I would even support having age brackets for competitions like many other sports have.

 

[Randomno]

@Randomno
What if someone doesn't want to show their age on WCA page?
Then they can't compete if that is added?

Not cool IMO

I read it as the WCA not being able to use a competitor's age without the competitor's permission.

 

[tseitsei]

2d+++) ADDITION
Competitors must agree that WCA may use their date of birth
for maintaining statistics.

That clearly says that competitors MUST (they don't have a choice) give WCA a permission to use their date of birth...

 

[Randomno]

That clearly says that competitors MUST (they don't have a choice) give WCA a permission to use their date of birth...

Which can also be interpreted as the way I stated. I can't rephrase my take on it much more clearly.

 

[tseitsei]

Which can also be interpreted as the way I stated. I can't rephrase my take on it much more clearly.

No. If it meant what you interpret it to mean it should be something like:

"Competitors must agree that WCA may use their date of birth, if they wish to have their age shown in the WCA statistics."
or
"WCA may not use any competitors date of birth without their explicit permission." (which is true even without the added rule because the law already states that...)

 

[Randomno]

No. If it meant what you interpret it to mean it should be something like:

"Competitors must agree that WCA may use their date of birth, if they wish to have their age shown in the WCA statistics."
or
"WCA may not use any competitors date of birth without their explicit permission." (which is true even without the added rule because the law already states that...)

Both of those are pretty much what I read it as.

 

[Rune]

I wrote on this topic some years ago in another thread.
With bitter sarcasm but some fool took it for granted.
(The new rules made me stop competing)