[Help Thread] Should I switch to Roux?

[Cride5]

My point was that Fridrich's potential has been demonstrated more than any other method, being the method that was used for the world record average and many right behind it. I'm saying that pointing out that Roux doesn't get enough attention and may not have developed to its full potential is not a reason to switch to it on its own.

LERN2FOSBURYFLOP

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fosbury_Flop

Great reference, and so appropriate for this thread.

It reminds me of the colour neutrality debate. Before Felik's amazing world record the debate was fairly balanced with good arguments being expressed on both sides. If anything bias seemed to be weighted towards non-colour neutrality. For example, see: http://www.speedsolving.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6375

As soon as Faz smashed the WR average and people noticed he is colour neutral, a new CN bandwagon was born.

CN is now popular, but is it really better?

Make your own mind up..

 

[oskarasbrink]

if you enjoy roux more - yes

if not - no

we do cube because it's fun, right?

but it might not be worth it if you average like 1 min with roux and 10-12 secwith another method though

 

[Edward]

My point was that Fridrich's potential has been demonstrated more than any other method, being the method that was used for the world record average and many right behind it. I'm saying that pointing out that Roux doesn't get enough attention and may not have developed to its full potential is not a reason to switch to it on its own.

LERN2FOSBURYFLOP

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fosbury_Flop

Great reference, and so appropriate for this thread.

It reminds me of the colour neutrality debate. Before Felik's amazing world record the debate was fairly balanced with good arguments being expressed on both sides. If anything bias seemed to be weighted towards non-colour neutrality. For example, see: http://www.speedsolving.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6375

As soon as Faz smashed the WR average and people noticed he is colour neutral, a new CN bandwagon was born.

CN is now popular, but is it really better?

Make your own mind up..

I think he's referring to how the Fosbury Flop is the main technique used when High Jumping, but might not always the best for everyone.

 

[BigGreen]

Its the equivalent to saying that keyhole F2L is just as good as Fridrich but hasn't had enough attention or enough people using it to have a chance at being fastest. That MAY be true, but until it has actually been shown to be fast, that point is useless and doesn't prove anything. I really don't understand what you're problem is with what I'm saying...

How fast is fast

 

[IamWEB]

How sune is now?

 

[miniGOINGS]

I love this thread...

ITT; Oversensitive roux users, clueless idiots.

Good job, guys.

Hahahahaha, it's almost funny how true this is.

I'd say, if you make the switch, do it before you reach sub-25... Or, just a soon as possible.. Because for me, my mind is raped by CFOP so much that I am just too far gone to make such a switch now... Unless I had the motivation of a n00b .

I feel like the blockbuilding skills I've started to learn from Roux would help me move into Fridrich better than going the other way around.

As soon as Faz smashed the WR average and people noticed he is colour neutral, a new CN bandwagon was born.

CN is now popular, but is it really better?

Make your own mind up..

Good point! I see no reason to switch to ANYTHING just because people have gotten fast with it. Do whatever you want, and just be happy with that. I'm not colour neutral, and I probably never will be, and just because Feliks is shouldn't make me want to be.

 

[waffle=ijm]

wow. I honestly feel that the more this thread progresses, the more clueless the arguments become.

 

[qqwref]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fosbury_Flop

Great reference, and so appropriate for this thread.[/QUOTE]
I kind of disagree. In this case the Fosbury Flop (or a slight variation) really IS the physically best way to do the jump. It's not so obvious in cubing. I wouldn't expect there to be variation in the methods used among world-class high jumpers (any more than among world-class 100m runners), but there's no reason there can't be variation in the methods used by top cubers.

 

[Cride5]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fosbury_Flop

Great reference, and so appropriate for this thread.

I kind of disagree. In this case the Fosbury Flop (or a slight variation) really IS the physically best way to do the jump. It's not so obvious in cubing. I wouldn't expect there to be variation in the methods used among world-class high jumpers (any more than among world-class 100m runners), but there's no reason there can't be variation in the methods used by top cubers.

I think the reason Pembo brought up the reference to Fosbury Flop wasn't because of its current dominance in the sport, but because of its history.

Before 1968 the dominant technique was the Straddle, and at the time it was probably assumed to be the best method. As soon as Dick Fosbury demonstrated an alternative technique capable of winning Olympic gold, everyone changed their mind about what was apparently the 'best' technique.

Your point about expecting variation in the methods used by the elite also has interesting parallels with the cubing world. At the time of the 1968 Olympics there was indeed a lot more variation in the methods used by the best jumpers (although Straddle was preferred). I would say this probably has more to do with the maturity of a sport than the nature of it. Looking at it its growing popularity, constant developments in methods and hardware, and the number records being broken, speedcubing is clearly still in a state of rapid development.

 

[miniGOINGS]

I think the reason Pembo brought up the reference to Fosbury Flop wasn't because of its current dominance in the sport, but because of its history.

Before 1968 the dominant technique was the Straddle, and at the time it was probably assumed to be the best method. As soon as Dick Fosbury demonstrated an alternative technique capable of winning Olympic gold, everyone changed their mind about what was apparently the 'best' technique.

Your point about expecting variation in the methods used by the elite also has interesting parallels with the cubing world. At the time of the 1968 Olympics there was indeed a lot more variation in the methods used by the best jumpers (although Straddle was preferred). I would say this probably has more to do with the maturity of a sport than the nature of it. Looking at it its growing popularity, constant developments in methods and hardware, and the number records being broken, speedcubing is clearly still in a state of rapid development.

...hax explanation right there...

That makes sense though. Are you saying that as speedcubing progresses, everyone good will eventually be using the same (best) method?

 

[cincyaviation]

I think the reason Pembo brought up the reference to Fosbury Flop wasn't because of its current dominance in the sport, but because of its history.

Before 1968 the dominant technique was the Straddle, and at the time it was probably assumed to be the best method. As soon as Dick Fosbury demonstrated an alternative technique capable of winning Olympic gold, everyone changed their mind about what was apparently the 'best' technique.

Your point about expecting variation in the methods used by the elite also has interesting parallels with the cubing world. At the time of the 1968 Olympics there was indeed a lot more variation in the methods used by the best jumpers (although Straddle was preferred). I would say this probably has more to do with the maturity of a sport than the nature of it. Looking at it its growing popularity, constant developments in methods and hardware, and the number records being broken, speedcubing is clearly still in a state of rapid development.

...hax explanation right there...

That makes sense though. Are you saying that as speedcubing progresses, everyone good will eventually be using the same (best) method?

roux with steps 3 and 4 in one alg

 

[miniGOINGS]

roux with steps 3 and 4 in one alg

1LF3L

 

[cincyaviation]

roux with steps 3 and 4 in one alg

1LF3L

with 2 gen rotationless algs

 

[Ashmnafa]

roux with steps 3 and 4 in one alg

1LF3L

Psh I do this and get sub-3 averages.

 

[Cride5]

Are you saying that as speedcubing progresses, everyone good will eventually be using the same (best) method?

Possibly, but not necessarily. I would hope that as the sport develops there is less uncertainty as to what makes one method faster than another.

 

[brandbest1]

Is it worth it to switch to Roux?

I average sub-30 with CFOP, with full PLL memorized, and still learning full OLL. Would it be worth it to switch to Roux now?

 

[Hershey]

In before Roux vs CFOP debate.

It's your choice really. Though if the number of OLLs are troubling you, if you switch to Roux, then consider that there are 40 CMLL algs to learn (if you want to one look corners). If you already know a lot of the OLLs, then you might need to learn even more algs from CMLL than from learning OLL

 

[Jaycee]

I'm in the same boat as you, ~23 average with CFOP and not full OLL.

I know Roux (2-look CMLL) and I average ~35-50 with it. It's really a matter of which you want to do, so my answer is : It can be worth it.

 

[5BLD]

If you think you should, go on.
I switched from CFOP at a 23 second average. And now I'm much faster and glad I switched. As jaycee said, it can be worth it.

If you need help feel free to email or PM me.
Also, make sure you blockbuild correctly and efficiently

 

[brandbest1]

Ok, thanks! I'll probably stick to Fridrich until my next comp, which is in a month. In the meantime, I'll be practicing Roux.