[Help Thread] Roux Discussion and Help

[GuRoux]

did you try the M slices on the gts2 M? in my opinion, the gts2M magnets feel about as strong as the Air UM magnets, perhaps the air is slightly stronger. the mass produced valk M have the weakest of the three.

starting off, you will feel the magnet of gts2M and airM a little while doing M slices. after practicing a while, you'll adjust your turning and it should be perfectly fine. another way around it is to loosen the cubes, which reduces the tension. valk M i think you will have a hard time feeling the magnets while doing LSE or any other part of the solve.

all the cubes can be great for roux. valk m is the safe choice but because it has weak magnets, but also means it won't be as stable or "click in to place" as a strong magnet cube. the other ones are more risky. you will feel the magnets more, some people like it, some do not.

if you really like the feel of magnets, go for gts2m, airUM or a ValkM made with strong magnets.

 

[dboeren]

I did try the GTS2-M and thought it felt pretty good. I just ordered an Air UM after watching Kian's review so hopefully that should show up my Monday or so.

 

[efattah]

My take on the magnetic cubes for M-slice heavy methods is this: Indeed heavy M-slice sequences or algorithms are marginally slower if you are doing algorithm timing, but overall times and averages are significantly improved as the gain outweighs the disadvantage, in terms of stability, less lockups & screw ups, and so on.

To simplify, if someone gave me a 15 move algorithm with tons of M moves and asked me to get my fastest possible single algorithm time with 100 attempts, I would pick a non magnetic Valk 3. But if someone said I needed to get my fastest average over those same 100 attempts, I would use Valk 3 M.

 

[efattah]

Try the following scramble for the last Roux step:
M2 U2 M' U2 M2

The basic method solves it as:
M2 U2 M U2 M2

You can also solve it like this:
u2 M' u2

There are many last step cases that are shorter and theoretically faster to solve using wide U moves. Does anyone do this?

 

[TDM]

Try the following scramble for the last Roux step:
M2 U2 M' U2 M2

The basic method solves it as:
M2 U2 M U2 M2

You can also solve it like this:
u2 M' u2

There are many last step cases that are shorter and theoretically faster to solve using wide U moves. Does anyone do this?

It's been discussed, but the general consensus is that the regrip, along with the fact that Uw moves are less consistent, makes it not worth using these algs.

 

[BigGreen]

Got a mildly interesting scramble suitable for roux/petrus.

D F2 U2 L' F2 L2 F2 R B2 D2 R' D2 B F' R2 D R' B' U R'

 

[Elo13]

It's been discussed, but the general consensus is that the regrip, along with the fact that Uw moves are less consistent, makes it not worth using these algs.

Just to add to the less consistent part, on a magnetic cube it is extremely easy to overshoot on a Uw2.

Doesn't Kaijun use wide U's though?

 

[TDM]

Just to add to the less consistent part, on a magnetic cube it is extremely easy to overshoot on a Uw2.

Doesn't Kaijun use wide U's though?

Kaijun also rotates during LSE (x U2 M2 U2 instead of the usual M U2 M2 U2 M'). I don't think that's a good idea either

 

[shadowslice e]

Just to add to the less consistent part, on a magnetic cube it is extremely easy to overshoot on a Uw2.

Doesn't Kaijun use wide U's though?

To be fair he is also a BLD solver so he has quite a few unconventional fingertricks so he can probably pull off a lot of things that most people who don't specialise in BLD can though in general I don't think that it would be a good idea to try and imitate him.

 

[Elo13]

A while back I realized that wide U's could be used and came to the conclusion that they're cool but not useful for speedsolving.

 

[auienrst]

Hi guys,

I'd like to ask about CN with Roux, since I have read two different opinions on the beginning of this thread:
- the first one is: go full CN (or at least x2/y) from the start.
- the second one is: be good at block building with 1 color-scheme, and when confident, go [full-x*/y*/z*] CN.

What would you advise to do to?

 

[shadowslice e]

Hi guys,

I'd like to ask about CN with Roux, since I have read two different opinions on the beginning of this thread:
- the first one is: go full CN (or at least x2/y) from the start.
- the second one is: be good at block building with 1 color-scheme, and when confident, go [full-x*/y*/z*] CN.

What would you advise to do to?

Start with x2 y. I don't think that anyone is fully CN with roux and most people are either x2 y or x2 y2 (the x2 y2 tend to be the older cubers with newer ones x2 y) though this is not a reason not to try out full neutral and then see how it goes.

Basically, start as CN as you can and in general more neutral is better.

 

[AlphaSheep]

Hi guys,

I'd like to ask about CN with Roux, since I have read two different opinions on the beginning of this thread:
- the first one is: go full CN (or at least x2/y) from the start.
- the second one is: be good at block building with 1 color-scheme, and when confident, go [full-x*/y*/z*] CN.

What would you advise to do to?

In general, the longer you practice being not CN, the harder it is to become CN. So if you want to switch, the earlier you do it, the easier it will be.

 

[Neuro]

x2 and full y neutrality is extremely powerful. I wouldn't recommend doing anything more unless your SB and CMLL recog is god-like

 

[Miikalsen]

Hey. Loong time since i have been here. Had a two year break from cubing. But got a ich some weeks back so i started again.

I have always been a cfop user with about 23 - 25 sec avg. Using only 2look.
But been interessed inn roux for å while now. But i find it hard to go from f2l to blockbuilding and trying other ways to build. So my roux avg5 is ablut 52 sec. Which is a drastic difference from my cflop avgs.

So i thought i would ask if anyone else did the change and maybe could give some pointers to how to handle it and get somewhat the same avg and loosing the f2p ways of doing it..

Thanks

 

[Alex B71]

Hey. Loong time since i have been here. Had a two year break from cubing. But got a ich some weeks back so i started again.

I have always been a cfop user with about 23 - 25 sec avg. Using only 2look.
But been interessed inn roux for å while now. But i find it hard to go from f2l to blockbuilding and trying other ways to build. So my roux avg5 is ablut 52 sec. Which is a drastic difference from my cflop avgs.

So i thought i would ask if anyone else did the change and maybe could give some pointers to how to handle it and get somewhat the same avg and loosing the f2p ways of doing it..

Thanks

Focus on building one block (1x2x3) at a time, i usually do left first unless the right block is very simple. go very slow at first and don't time yourself for maybe a week.

And then it's just practice. Don't be afraid to use the M-slice and play around with L6E.

Roux isn't my main method by any means (only sub-18 with it) so i am sure someone with greater experience will be able to help out better than me. Oh, and welcome back.

 

[tx789]

Hey. Loong time since i have been here. Had a two year break from cubing. But got a ich some weeks back so i started again.

I have always been a cfop user with about 23 - 25 sec avg. Using only 2look.
But been interessed inn roux for å while now. But i find it hard to go from f2l to blockbuilding and trying other ways to build. So my roux avg5 is ablut 52 sec. Which is a drastic difference from my cflop avgs.

So i thought i would ask if anyone else did the change and maybe could give some pointers to how to handle it and get somewhat the same avg and loosing the f2p ways of doing it..

Thanks

Look at example solves. Kian Mansour is the fastest offically at Roux he has videos about getting faster.

 

[TDM]

Hey. Loong time since i have been here. Had a two year break from cubing. But got a ich some weeks back so i started again.

I have always been a cfop user with about 23 - 25 sec avg. Using only 2look.
But been interessed inn roux for å while now. But i find it hard to go from f2l to blockbuilding and trying other ways to build. So my roux avg5 is ablut 52 sec. Which is a drastic difference from my cflop avgs.

So i thought i would ask if anyone else did the change and maybe could give some pointers to how to handle it and get somewhat the same avg and loosing the f2p ways of doing it..

Thanks

Hey, welcome back!

When doing First Block, try to solve a square first. You can do this by making a pair, then puting DL into place and then inserting the pair. You can make and insert pairs far more efficiently than in CFOP's F2L; for example, you can use F' or Rw' F to insert pairs. After the square, make a pair (this will be a bit more restricted but still with more freedom than CFOP) and insert that too.

For Second Block, again solve a square first. To get used to blockbuilding, you can force yourself to form a pair first (restrict yourself to R, Rw, U and M moves for the entire second block), and then place DR and insert the pair. This can just help you break old habits. Then form and insert the last pair similarly to CFOP, though you can use the M slice to make it easier.

Alexander Lau's solves usually have straightforward solutions, so there's a lot to learn from them. Take a look at some of those for some blockbuilding tricks!

 

[Competition Cuber]

ut i find it hard to go from f2l to blockbuilding

You can solve the first block like F2L

 

[Zerksies]

Just started learning Roux. Is there a decent site out there? all the ones i've come across are all pretty half assed.