[Help Thread] Roux Discussion and Help

[PenguinsDontFly]

Does anyone feel like talking about colour neutrality ?

Right now I'm doing x2 y2, averaging about 29 seconds, but I want to decide if I should go for full y.

having at least 4 block colours helps a lot, but if you believe you can successfully learn x2 y then go for it. Personally, I'm y neutral so I also have 4 blocks, and I average 8 seconds so it can't be that bad. (GuRoux is only y2 and he averages about the same as me).

 

[GuRoux]

having at least 4 block colours helps a lot, but if you believe you can successfully learn x2 y then go for it. Personally, I'm y neutral so I also have 4 blocks, and I average 8 seconds so it can't be that bad. (GuRoux is only y2 and he averages about the same as me).

me, kaijun lin, and big green all are y2.

 

[skidmarkstan]

Oh!

I thought you guys were all mostly x2 y. I thought it was very common.

I guess not ?

Thanks for the replies!!

 

[shadowslice e]

Oh!

I thought you guys were all mostly x2 y. I thought it was very common.

I guess not ?

Thanks for the replies!!

x2 y is pretty common and not too difficult tbh. If you can it's a good idea. The best way to do it is to not develop a preference. I was always x2 y2 but it wasn't too hard to get x2 y at around 20-25.

I have a preference for white/yellow on CFOP though there's only about 2 seconds in it do I could probably switch to full CN there if I wanted to but I don't practise.

 

[skidmarkstan]

x2 y is pretty common and not too difficult tbh. If you can it's a good idea. The best way to do it is to not develop a preference. I was always x2 y2 but it wasn't too hard to get x2 y at around 20-25.

I have a preference for white/yellow on CFOP though there's only about 2 seconds in it do I could probably switch to full CN there if I wanted to but I don't practise.

How significant of an advantage do you feel like it is ?

 

[shadowslice e]

How significant of an advantage do you feel like it is ?

It's hard to put a number of it. I feel like it definately is better though how much better I can't say. Essentially, x2 y means you can use any pair which you get on a scramble and more configurations if you have multiple 1 move pairs.


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Ok, my turn for a question:
Splits (TH): 13
FB: 2-2.5
SB: 3-4
CMLL: 2-3
LSE: 4

I'm guessing LSE. Any place that might be good to look at?

Splits (OH): 22-24
FB: 3-5
SB: 6-8
CMLL: 4
LSE: 8

Just any general tips or is it just turn faster and actually lube the cube?

 

[skidmarkstan]

Ok guys, wish me luck!

I'll report back in a month to let you know how it went.

So far, a lot of fun practising new blocks!

 

[GuRoux]

It's hard to put a number of it. I feel like it definately is better though how much better I can't say. Essentially, x2 y means you can use any pair which you get on a scramble and more configurations if you have multiple 1 move pairs.


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Ok, my turn for a question:
Splits (TH): 13
FB: 2-2.5
SB: 3-4
CMLL: 2-3
LSE: 4

I'm guessing LSE. Any place that might be good to look at?

Splits (OH): 22-24
FB: 3-5
SB: 6-8
CMLL: 4
LSE: 8

Just any general tips or is it just turn faster and actually lube the cube?

for 2H, LSE and second block, perhaps it's the first block to second block transition.

for OH, definitely LSE, and probably SB.

 

[sub20oneday]

probably a bit earley to ask this and a may have to move this to a different thread but does anyone know if there going to the comp in north london i would love to see someone whoes good at roux

 

[shadowslice e]

probably a bit earley to ask this and a may have to move this to a different thread but does anyone know if there going to the comp in north london i would love to see someone whoes good at roux

There's a possibility Alex Lau will be there I think. But really, the UK has such an abnormally high concentration of rouxers that it'll be pretty unlikely there won't be anyone half decent at roux there (even if it isn't their main)

 

[Shiv3r]

One Case I can't find an Alg for

OK, so after my beginner LBL method, I browsed methods to learn next. For a while I tried Petrus, then I finally 'Settled' on Roux. I now use Fridrich. Why? In the last step of LSE (After Orientation andFinish L/R sides), there are theoretically 4 cases(according to waffle/waffo): Half-a-dot, Dots, Fuu, and worse than Fuu. Of course, when I solve using Roux, there is one single case that annoys the crap out of me. I get it about 1/2 to 1/3 of the time, and I can't find the Algorithm for it. It has a few different configurations, but they go in infinite loops. In one position it looks like dots, but two adjacent edges are switched. It also comes up in a different way, but they lead to each other: All 4 edges are flipped, but still, two are switched. There is nothing I can find that tells me how to fix it. Anyone have an algorithm, or anything, to help me out? I want to prove that Roux is one of the better methods, I fully agree it is, but I can't use it if about half the time I can't solve it.

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

 

[TDM]

OK, so after my beginner LBL method, I browsed methods to learn next. For a while I tried Petrus, then I finally 'Settled' on Roux. I now use Fridrich. Why? In the last step of LSE (After Orientation andFinish L/R sides), there are theoretically 4 cases(according to waffle/waffo): Half-a-dot, Dots, Fuu, and worse than Fuu. Of course, when I solve using Roux, there is one single case that annoys the crap out of me. I get it about 1/2 to 1/3 of the time, and I can't find the Algorithm for it. It has a few different configurations, but they go in infinite loops. In one position it looks like dots, but two adjacent edges are switched. It also comes up in a different way, but they lead to each other: All 4 edges are flipped, but still, two are switched. There is nothing I can find that tells me how to fix it. Anyone have an algorithm, or anything, to help me out? I want to prove that Roux is one of the better methods, I fully agree it is, but I can't use it if about half the time I can't solve it.

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

I don't know what case you mean. Might be M U2 M2 U2 M' but I'm not sure. Do you have any pictures? Have you tried doing M moves when you get it to see if you get to a case which you do recognise?

Alternatively, make sure you've AUFed correctly.

 

[Teoidus]

When you are influencing ULUR during EO, or you happen to get a skip: how do you predict the upcoming case consistently? I find it a lot harder to look for the BU sticker than if you solve ULUR separately.

 

[Mystic]

I'm thinking about switching to a new main because my Yuexiao is catchy and doesn't flow well with me probably because of my turning style. I'm officially not a fan of the squared off corners.

What cube would roux solvers recommend that have nice M-slices, aren't catchy or locky, and have a smooth feeling once lubed?

I'm considering getting either the Gans 356s V2 (Although I heard it flexes), QiYi Thunderclap, and the Weilong (not sure about v1 or v2)

 

[Berd]

I'm thinking about switching to a new main because my Yuexiao is catchy and doesn't flow well with me probably because of my turning style. I'm officially not a fan of the squared off corners.

What cube would roux solvers recommend that have nice M-slices, aren't catchy or locky, and have a smooth feeling once lubed?

I'm considering getting either the Gans 356s V2 (Although I heard it flexes), QiYi Thunderclap, and the Weilong (not sure about v1 or v2)

Maybe try an aolong v2? Mine has had ~10000 solves on it and has become amazing!

 

[PenguinsDontFly]

I'm thinking about switching to a new main because my Yuexiao is catchy and doesn't flow well with me probably because of my turning style. I'm officially not a fan of the squared off corners.

What cube would roux solvers recommend that have nice M-slices, aren't catchy or locky, and have a smooth feeling once lubed?

I'm considering getting either the Gans 356s V2 (Although I heard it flexes), QiYi Thunderclap, and the Weilong (not sure about v1 or v2)

hello toronto roux guy

the weilong is basically the cube you just described. It is very smooth, doesnt lock, and has nice m slices for LSE.

 

[Isaac VM]

I am CFOP (sub-25) cuber willing to change to Roux as a main method (I just love M slices). Currently my time breakdown is:

FB: 12s
SB: 20s
Corners: 8s (I use OCLLs, T and Y perm. Execution aint the problem, recognition it is)
LSE: 14s

Would you critique my solve and give me some tips? I can solve green/blue on top/bottom, any color by the sides.

Scramble: F' U2 R2 U2 B D2 L2 B2 F D F' U2 R' D2 R B F2 R U

z' x U M2 r U' L' // first block
U M' U' M U r2 R M' U' M U R'// 1x2x2
U' M2 U' r' U' r U r' // 2x2x3
R U2 R' U' (R U R' U') (R U R' U') R U' R' // corners
M2 U' (M' U M') U2 (M' U M') // orient edges
M2 U (M' U2 M') U M2 U' // UL/ UR
M' U2 M' U2 M2

Thanks in advance and sorry if my english is bad

 

[Knut]

I am CFOP (sub-25) cuber willing to change to Roux as a main method (I just love M slices). Currently my time breakdown is:

FB: 12s
SB: 20s
Corners: 8s (I use OCLLs, T and Y perm. Execution aint the problem, recognition it is)
LSE: 14s

Would you critique my solve and give me some tips? I can solve green/blue on top/bottom, any color by the sides.

Scramble: F' U2 R2 U2 B D2 L2 B2 F D F' U2 R' D2 R B F2 R U

z' x U M2 r U' L' // first block
U M' U' M U r2 R M' U' M U R'// 1x2x2
U' M2 U' r' U' r U r' // 2x2x3
R U2 R' U' (R U R' U') (R U R' U') R U' R' // corners
M2 U' (M' U M') U2 (M' U M') // orient edges
M2 U (M' U2 M') U M2 U' // UL/ UR
M' U2 M' U2 M2

Thanks in advance and sorry if my english is bad

z’ x U M2 r U’ L’ // FB – This looks quite good, the only thing I would do differently would be to do an F right before the last L’. That connects the DR piece to the center for the second block.
Continuing with what you did:
U M' U' M U r2 R M' U' M U R’// 1x2x2 – M’ U R’ U’ R’ U’ M’ r’ U r - In general it's a lot easier to place the DR piece first and then add the two pairs. Of course it depends on the case, but here I think it would be easier to do that.
U' M2 U' r' U' r U r' // 1x2x3 – For this case I would have done U’ M2 R’ U2 r u R’. Not much different, but saves one move.
R U2 R' U' (R U R' U') (R U R' U') R U' R' // corners – looks good.
M2 U' (M' U M') U2 (M' U M') // orient edges – Here you can get an arrow case a bit faster by doing U’ M’ U M. Also at the end if you did an M instead of an M’, or a U’ instead of a U, then the UL/UR edges would be lined up a bit nicer for the next step.
M2 U (M' U2 M') U M2 U' // UL/ UR
M' U2 M' U2 M2

You really seem to have the paring with the M slice down pretty well, which is normally one of the harder things for people to grasp. If you just keep playing around with Roux and trying new things, then it won't be long before you start finding easier/faster ways of doing things. Good luck!

 

[Shiv3r]

Hey, so here's my breakup of solving times:
FB: ~15 sec
SB: ~12 secs
CMLL: ~7 secs
LSE: ~15 secs

how is this? ive been using roux as my main for about 2 days now ,but have been able to solve like 5 minutes with it for like 3 weeks

 

[Isaac VM]

z’ x U M2 r U’ L’ // FB – This looks quite good, the only thing I would do differently would be to do an F right before the last L’. That connects the DR piece to the center for the second block.
Continuing with what you did:
U M' U' M U r2 R M' U' M U R’// 1x2x2 – M’ U R’ U’ R’ U’ M’ r’ U r - In general it's a lot easier to place the DR piece first and then add the two pairs. Of course it depends on the case, but here I think it would be easier to do that.
U' M2 U' r' U' r U r' // 1x2x3 – For this case I would have done U’ M2 R’ U2 r u R’. Not much different, but saves one move.
R U2 R' U' (R U R' U') (R U R' U') R U' R' // corners – looks good.
M2 U' (M' U M') U2 (M' U M') // orient edges – Here you can get an arrow case a bit faster by doing U’ M’ U M. Also at the end if you did an M instead of an M’, or a U’ instead of a U, then the UL/UR edges would be lined up a bit nicer for the next step.
M2 U (M' U2 M') U M2 U' // UL/ UR
M' U2 M' U2 M2

You really seem to have the paring with the M slice down pretty well, which is normally one of the harder things for people to grasp. If you just keep playing around with Roux and trying new things, then it won't be long before you start finding easier/faster ways of doing things. Good luck!

Thanks a lot! I really appreciate your critique, I am going to keep practicing, especially for the second block and UL/UR.