Random Cubing Discussion

[StachuK1992]

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So. CPLL+ELL would be...how many algs? I want to say 84, 21 PLLs per 4 edge cases (all, adj, opp, none)

But Thom then said 6*48=288.

So then I looked again, and thought

21 (regular PLL)
21 (all edges flipped)
Those only get a set of PLL each, since the angle doesn't matter.

21*2 (opp edges)
One set where flipped on L/R, one on U/B.

21*4 (adj edges)
One set per AUF.

21 + 21 + 42 + 84 = 168.

Is this correct?

Spoiler

#Non-EPLL PLLs=22-4=18 (Don't forget pure flips)

ELL: 29
Regular PLL: 18-1=17 (Pure flip=Solved)
PLLEF: 18 (Like CLLEF)
Opp flip: 2*18-2=34 (N-perm overcount)
Adj flip: 4*18-1-6=65 (E&N-perm overcount)
Sum: 19+17+18+34+65=153

Please correct me if this is wrong.

I'm not sure if it's right, but I sure do like the numbers better.
However, recog will probably deter me from learning this, but I can at the very least learn ELL and see what I feel like from there.

 

[qqwref]

Here's a little Rubik's Slide 3-cycle.

(left counterclockwise)*4
effect: topleft -> midright -> middle -> topleft

 

[ThatGuy]

I just had a thought about using ZB with a Roux base. Do the two blocks, then place DB and DF edges while orienting the U face edges and finishing with ZBLL. The advantage here (I think) is that because DBDF placement would only be using M and U the corners would remain the same allowing for an early read into the corner recognition in ZB. I don't actually know how helpful knowing the corner case is ahead of time is or how many algs would be required for DBDF placement. Is this plausible?

 

[waffle=ijm]

I just had a thought about using ZB with a Roux base. Do the two blocks, then place DB and DF edges while orienting the U face edges and finishing with ZBLL. The advantage here (I think) is that because DBDF placement would only be using M and U the corners would remain the same allowing for an early read into the corner recognition in ZB. I don't actually know how helpful knowing the corner case is ahead of time is or how many algs would be required for DBDF placement. Is this plausible?

Roux+LBL Type methods...they don't mix...

EDIT - Corner recognition is easy and quick. And algs for DF DB? srsly. You need algs for that?

 

[ThatGuy]

I just had a thought about using ZB with a Roux base. Do the two blocks, then place DB and DF edges while orienting the U face edges and finishing with ZBLL. The advantage here (I think) is that because DBDF placement would only be using M and U the corners would remain the same allowing for an early read into the corner recognition in ZB. I don't actually know how helpful knowing the corner case is ahead of time is or how many algs would be required for DBDF placement. Is this plausible?

Roux+LBL Type methods...they don't mix...

EDIT - Corner recognition is easy and quick. And algs for DF DB? srsly. You need algs for that?

Including U layer edges orientation

 

[Kirjava]

Anyone using roux would learn OLLCP/KCLL instead of ZBLL.

Anyone using CFOP would use F2L instead of F2B.

 

[Tim Major]

I just had a thought about using ZB with a Roux base. Do the two blocks, then place DB and DF edges while orienting the U face edges and finishing with ZBLL. The advantage here (I think) is that because DBDF placement would only be using M and U the corners would remain the same allowing for an early read into the corner recognition in ZB. I don't actually know how helpful knowing the corner case is ahead of time is or how many algs would be required for DBDF placement. Is this plausible?

So you skip CMLL and do the orientation of l6e, then ZBLL...
Sounds fastish buuut... are you actually going to learn them? One big advantage is recognizing the corners while doing the l6e orientation, so recog sounds great.

 

[StachuK1992]

I just had a thought about using ZB with a Roux base. Do the two blocks, then place DB and DF edges while orienting the U face edges and finishing with ZBLL. The advantage here (I think) is that because DBDF placement would only be using M and U the corners would remain the same allowing for an early read into the corner recognition in ZB. I don't actually know how helpful knowing the corner case is ahead of time is or how many algs would be required for DBDF placement. Is this plausible?

Roux+LBL Type methods...they don't mix...

Alright, how about this:

First Block
1x2x2
'ELS' only caring about DF and DB EO
CLS
CPEOLL (I'm actually about to be done learning this. I added a few sexy algs there)
L6EP

heehee.

First block can be all pre-planned - even waffles can do it.
1x2x2 blocks are easysauce, and it doesn't matter whether the slot left is in the BR or FR.
The 'ELS' can be completely intuitive. Just do an R, then solve UR while orienting DF and DB.
CLS is sexy. As far as I'm concerned, all cases are sub2able. Give me a month more of training, and I shall prove this, and that MANY are sub1able.
CPEOLL is only like 15 cases, and the cool thing with Roux here is that you don't care about the permutation of DF and DB, so you can have EVEN BETTER ALGS.
L6EP is easycake. Maybe you guize can even influence it earlier, right?

This sounds like a TOTALLY LEGIT METHOD THAT YOU SHOULD ALL TRY.
I shall post an example solve laterz.

 

[Toad]

I like the sound of this Statue method... Is cool.

 

[blakedacuber]

just wondering has anybody found a quick alg that would fix to adjacent edges swapped on a 3x3


setup: M' Y' M' U M U2 Y M

 

[Kirjava]

blakedacuber; I posted this a while ago.

 

[Meep]

I just had a thought about using ZB with a Roux base. Do the two blocks, then place DB and DF edges while orienting the U face edges and finishing with ZBLL. The advantage here (I think) is that because DBDF placement would only be using M and U the corners would remain the same allowing for an early read into the corner recognition in ZB. I don't actually know how helpful knowing the corner case is ahead of time is or how many algs would be required for DBDF placement. Is this plausible?

Roux+LBL Type methods...they don't mix...

EDIT - Corner recognition is easy and quick. And algs for DF DB? srsly. You need algs for that?

Including U layer edges orientation

That's a lot easier than it sounds. I used to do that with my silly F2L-first method where I did CMSLL or something after the F2L then oriented edges when inserting the final 'cross piece' into the D layer. Finished off with a U H or Zperm lol

 

[Anonymous]

Does anyone use M' U R U' r' instead of R' F R F' for partial edge control? I realized recently that it was an alternative, and I feel like sometimes my hand is in a better position for it.

 

[blakedacuber]

blakedacuber; I posted this a while ago.

tthanks!!
how do you know so many algs??
also is there any programe i can download that generates algs??

 

[Kirjava]

blakedacuber; I posted this a while ago.

tthanks!!
how do you know so many algs??

Finding them by hand or generating them. I think I made that one for BLD or something.

also is there any programe i can download that generates algs??

CubeExplorer, acube, ksolve, jarcs and I think there are more on the wiki.

 

[jms_gears1]

BEST
2
FRIP EVAH
M'UMU'M'U'M'UM'U2MUM2UM'U2MU2

 

[StachuK1992]

BEST
2
FRIP EVAH
M'UMU'M'U'M'UM'U2MUM2UM'U2MU2

I really hope that this is a joke.
(M' U)*4 U (M' U)*3 M'

 

[jms_gears1]

BEST
2
FRIP EVAH
M'UMU'M'U'M'UM'U2MUM2UM'U2MU2

I really hope that this is a joke.
(M' U)*4 U (M' U)*3 M'

your's does not have variety mine does >: O

 

[StachuK1992]

Does anyone use M' U R U' r' instead of R' F R F' for partial edge control? I realized recently that it was an alternative, and I feel like sometimes my hand is in a better position for it.

I do, depending on the CO of the U-layer stickers.

 

[qqwref]

BEST 2 TWIST EVER

r U2 r' U r U2 r' U r U2 r' U' r U2 r' U R U' R' U' R U R' U'