Heise Method Discussion thread

Thanks for your answers.
To ErikJ: I know that I can do 2x2x2 then 2x2x3 or even Fridrich without last pair but I am trying to use his method completely
To Die_d00pel_Null: well, it is a quite obvious rule not to use the same piece twice, my question was more: how do I avoid the situation where I need it twice. What colors am I allowed to use for the 3rd block ? for the 4th block ?
To JohnnyA: nice to know I am not the first one having this problem. My second block if I had made the inner one first would be in this case white-orange-blue and would not share any color at all with the inner block. That is what is wrong ?
To Athefre: I will definitively look at your page ! But right now I am not even at the stage "how to get fast" but more "how to avoid impossible cases"
To EmersonHerrmann: nice rule, I think it will save my day :)
 
adragast said:
right now I am not even at the stage "how to get fast" but more "how to avoid impossible cases"
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It's definitely possible, it's just much more difficult because it leaves you with one color possibility for a last layer. My page describes what you are supposed to do with that step if you choose to use "opposite" sudo-2x2x2s. Though it's not said that way.

If you use that type along with the others, it seems to me that it would be better if you used the same color scheme for every solve so you can have the pieces you need to solve memorized.

My page should say "I actually don't recommend using this type (if you have chosen to be color neutral)".
 
Ryan Heise

Ive search around! i cant find a video of Ryan Heise Solving a REAL CUBE?:eek::eek:

Please help me? i want to see him with real fingers :) duhh his method is awesome but hard! :p
 
Wow. Ha, I never realized that I've never seen a video or picture of Ryan Heise before until this thread. I too would like to see him solve a cube - err, without fingers as he must have a godlike mind to do so(or just uses his feet instead).

By the way, should this not be in off-topic?
 
he got fingers! search on youtube his 11 secs solve with his simulator..

its not offtopic? its about cubing..

heise method said to be the hardest ? but you can see him? deadly solving simulators? what more in real cube?
 
I had thit problem too, but than Ryan said; invert the rule: All squares have to have 1 common colour (the colour that is oposite of the colour you don't use)... That works most of the time, except with the inner square. There i use the rule; 1th and 2nd squares must form a 2x2x2 block, then it always works out.

mvg

EDIT: http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/squares_advanced.html : The 2nd (inner) square has to be an adjectant one

mvg
 
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A better way to do Heise

Well, after attempting to learn the Heise method, I had some problems. I managed to get to the part where everything is solved except for 3 corners, then I messed up my cube attempting to apply commutators and had to start over. I tried again and messed up again. So, here's my idea: Get to the part where you have the whole f2l except one slot and all edges are oriented, fill in the slot using F2L, orient the corners, then do PLL. Overall this is a much easier and better way to do Heise, and it may sacrifice some move efficiency and require 28 algorithms as opposed to 0 but it is much easier, faster and less risky. Inb4 "or you could just use Petrus".
 
Summary of your post: "A better way to do Heise: don't do Heise". Congratulations on completely missing the point.

Easier: Of course it's easier for someone who already knows Petrus but not Heise. So what?

Better: Your opinion. Some of us don't care just about easiness and speed but also about understanding the cube, efficiency and elegancy. Heise is clearly much better for that.

Less risky: Commutators are not hard, blaming the method just shows how impatient you are.
 
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Sorry, but I really don't think it's feasible to intuitively make up an algorithm that orients and permutes corners in all over the cube as you're going along. Unless you're some sort of a genius, that is. I always considered myself to be fairly intelligent, but this is clearly above me.
 
I have to agree with these guys. Heise takes quite awhile to master - however, I use it as my primary speed cubing method. After using it for a year, I do crazy commutators and look aheads without even thinking. I also understand the cube WAY more than someone who just memorizes tons of algorithms. Keep trying! :)
 
Heise Method - Building Two Pairs

I've noticed that my move count with Heise when building the two pairs is very inefficient - I tend to build the first pair Fridrich style and then spend too many moves trying to get the second pair.

Unfortunately Heise's website (http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/two_pairs.html) glosses over the building of the two pairs step, instead focusing on what to do with the pairs after they are built.

So, anyone know of a resource with sample solutions? Or alternatively, if you use the two pair approach, what is going through your head as you do it?
 
When you're learning the 2 pair approuch, you first have to watch a couple of times (this is what I did) what you do with your corners (all of your coners) if you do RUR', RU'R' or RU2R'. You need the top layer corners to be oriented correctly after one of these.
Afterwards I looked where the edge is and manipulated it with the F2L slot so it would be connected with the corner after the corner orientation. after a while you wil know a couple of sequences to make pairs.

Also don't forget you can use the left layer for building the pairs and for permuting the pairs.

I have to admit this is, in my opinion, one of the hardest parts in the heise method, because there is very little info on his site.

I hope this helps

mvg
 
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