[Help Thread] FMC Discussion

[Brest]

I'm not good at FMC at all, but I gave it a go. I don't really know what to do after my EO:

D F2 R2 D L2 D2 L2 B2 L2 D' L D' F D' L2 F L' D' B' F2

B'//2x2
U R' F' R'// pseudo blocky things
U2 F // EO

B' // 2x2x2
U R' F' R' // pseudo 2x2x3 (premove R2)
U2 // F2L-1
R' F D' F D R F' R' F2 R // EOLS
D2 B U' R2 U B' D' F2 D' F // ZBLL
R2 // add premove

B' U R' F' R' U2 R' F D' F D R F' R' F2 R D2 B U' R2 U B' D' F2 D' F R2 (27)

 

[guysensei1]

Is there some site that is like Weekly FMC, but daily?

 

[Berd]

What does inverse mean in terms of FMC?

 

[penguinz7]

Is there some site that is like Weekly FMC, but daily?

I'm quite sure there is not, but not completely sure.. Maybe we should start one

What does inverse mean in terms of FMC?

Sometimes if you can't find anything good in a scramble, you use the inverse scramble. As an example lets use this scramble; R U R' U'. The inverse is basically that backwards and change every prime to a non-prime and other way around. So the inverse scramble here would be U R U' R'

Theres some mores stuff about NISS, but it's confusing and I don't even understand it that well.

 

[lerenard]

I'm not good at FMC at all, but I gave it a go. I don't really know what to do after my EO:

D F2 R2 D L2 D2 L2 B2 L2 D' L D' F D' L2 F L' D' B' F2

B'//2x2
U R' F' R'// pseudo blocky things
U2 F // EO

Other people have found better stuff already, but I suck so this 30-move solution is great for me:
U B'// 2x2
R' F' U R' U' F R' F2 R' // lots of blocks
L' U2 L F2 U R U R' U2 F2 U // F2 conjugation to solve everything but L3C
F' U2 F D F' U2 F D' // L3C

 

[obelisk477]

Once again I have a potentially awesome start, but can't find any continuations.. I've tried some NISS and single move insertions, but can't find anything.. You guys got anything?

B2 U2 F2 U R2 U2 L2 F2 U2 B2 L2 B' R D B2 L D B F L2 D'
B2 F' D R' U B // 2x2x2
D R F' x2 // 2x2x3

A 22 move L5C skeleton (Don't do the x2, first move cancels into yours):

B2 F' D R' U B // 2x2x2
D R F' // 2x2x3
F’ R F // pair
D F D F' // EO
R D’ R’ // pseudo F2L-1
D2 R’ D’ R' // L5C

Skeleton: B2 F' D R' U B D R F2 R F D F D F' R D’ R’ D2 R’ D’ R' (22)

 

[Cubenovice]

You could do...
R' D' F2 D R' //more blocks
which reduces this to 6 unsolved pieces. A premove can turn this into a LL case but I don't know it.

Hmmm...
A 2E2c swap like N or T perm can solve the edges and a corner, leaving a corner cycle.
Should be sub 30

 

[lerenard]

So I know we technically can use three cubes for FMC but do people actually do this? I can see one being used for the skeleton, one dedicated for insertions (possibly an unstickered cube that gets stickers on for that specific solve) but what's the point of a third cube?

 

[Kit Clement]

So I know we technically can use three cubes for FMC but do people actually do this? I can see one being used for the skeleton, one dedicated for insertions (possibly an unstickered cube that gets stickers on for that specific solve) but what's the point of a third cube?

Two times that I don't have to solve and scramble again. And somewhat to save my place when I'm switching scrambles and I think I'll want to go back.

 

[Prakhar]

I'm not good at FMC at all, but I gave it a go. I don't really know what to do after my EO:

D F2 R2 D L2 D2 L2 B2 L2 D' L D' F D' L2 F L' D' B' F2

B'//2x2
U R' F' R'// pseudo blocky things
U2 F // EO

B'// 2x2x2
U R' F' R' U2// Psuedo F2L-1

Switch to inverse
Pre-Scramble: U2 R F R U' B
R F R// F2L-1 + 2x2x1

Switch to Normal
Pre Scramble: R' F' R'
B' U R' F' R' U2// F2L-1 + 2x2x1
U' R U R'// F2L + OLL skip

Switch to inverse
Pre-scramble: R U' R' U' R F R U' B
R F R// F2L + OLL skip
R' F R' F' U' R' U2 F' U' F U' R U R// PLL
Correction: R U' R' U' R F R U' B

Solution on inverse: R F2 R' F' U' R' U2 F' U' F U' R U R2 U' R' U' R F R U' B

Solution: B' U R' F' R' U R U R2 U' R' U F' U F U2 R U F R F2 R' (22)

Hope I wrote it down correctly.

 

[guysensei1]

So I know we technically can use three cubes for FMC but do people actually do this? I can see one being used for the skeleton, one dedicated for insertions (possibly an unstickered cube that gets stickers on for that specific solve) but what's the point of a third cube?

I've only ever done FMC officially once and I'm by no means a pro but I brought 3 ended up only using one cube for everything heheh

 

[lerenard]

34 move NISS solution:
Scramble: U' R2 U B2 U' F2 U B2 D2 F2 L' U2 R' B2 F' R' U B L' D' U
Moves in (parentheses) done on inverse:
(L U R D' L2 B) // 2x2 (6)
(L' F' L) // 2x2 + 1x2x3 + pair (3/9)
F' D R D' F' D // EO (6/15)
R' F R2 F2 R2 F' R2 F R2 // skeleton (9/24)
D2 B R B' D2 F L' F L F2 // J Perm (10/34)
F' D R D' F' D R' F R2 F2 R2 F' R2 F R2 D2 B R B' D2 F L' F L F2 L' F L B' L2 D R' U' L
34 htm
Any suggestions?

 

[obelisk477]

26 move PB!:

L2 F L2 U2 B' L2 B L2 B' R2 D2 U' F' L U' R' U' F2 L2 F

L2 R’ F U’ L R U2 F2 B2 D’ F’ // XXXcross (11)
U R2 U’ // F2L (3/14)
D B R B’ R D’ R2 D’ F D F’ // OLL (11/25)
R2 // PLL Skip + AUF (1/26)

 

[guysensei1]

I just got this rather cool scramble...
L2 R2 D' R2 U B2 U R2 F2 L2 U2 B2 U2 B F L' R' D' F' U' F L2

Spoiler

B2 U2 R2 makes a 2x2x3 with misaligned centers. I think you can make a skeleton out of that and insert M' E M E' somewhere...?

 

[Kit Clement]

I just got this rather cool scramble...
L2 R2 D' R2 U B2 U R2 F2 L2 U2 B2 U2 B F L' R' D' F' U' F L2

Spoiler

B2 U2 R2 makes a 2x2x3 with misaligned centers. I think you can make a skeleton out of that and insert M' E M E' somewhere...?

Nice m'eme'!

 

[Attila]

I just got this rather cool scramble...
L2 R2 D' R2 U B2 U R2 F2 L2 U2 B2 U2 B F L' R' D' F' U' F L2

Spoiler

B2 U2 R2 makes a 2x2x3 with misaligned centers. I think you can make a skeleton out of that and insert M' E M E' somewhere...?

In such a case always be used three different, but compatible insertion.
For example:
M' E M E'
E' S E S'
S' M S M'
There are 3 other groups, total of 12 algs.
If your skeleton is ready, keep in mind all three insertions, for the best cancellation.
I usually looking a slice move in skeleton, and placed the right insertion before or after.
For example an insertion of hardest scramble:


U2 L R'(M S M' S') F' 12 HTM
L R' M = x' 4 moves cancel
S' F' = z' B' 2 moves cancel
some luck: U2 L R' M S =U2 x' S = x' U D 1 more move cancel
after insertion: U D F B' L' 7 moves cancel.

With the usual blockbuilding skeleton, maybe a little harder to find a good insertion
( your 3-move block seems promising though )

 

[penguinz7]

Nice m'eme'!

2015 Rubys (or whatever they'll be called..) meme of the year award?

 

[Ollie]

Got to go to bed, any good continuations for this?

B' F' L B2 U' F' R B2 D L D' R2 B R' F L' R2 B2 D' U' L U D2 B R

B D' R2 U L U' D' F D' // 2x2x3 block

Spoiler

switch to inverse: R2 F' R' F2 R2 // F2L-1
switch to normal: F2 D' F D R F R' // 3 corners and 3 edges left

sucky insertions suck

Edit: it's not terrible, since I cancel a premove to make a 20-move skeleton, but 3 corners and 3 edges sucks

 

[Robert-Y]

F2 R2 F R F2 R2 U F' U' leaves 3 corners.

 

[Ollie]

F2 R2 F R F2 R2 U F' U' leaves 3 corners.

What (is that easy to see or are you just really pro at FMC?)

Edit: probably both, but I'm gutted that I missed that.

Edit 2: oh wait...really easy to see now