[Help Thread] F2L Intuitive vs. Algorithm Solving

How did you learn your F2L? Intuitively or with Algs?

  • Intuitively

    Votes: 389 88.2%
  • Algorithmic

    Votes: 52 11.8%

  • Total voters
    441
Only intuitive is bad, because you stick with the "algothithm" you discovered first. Many moves during f2l will be wasted.
 
Tell me more about how you found the fastest solution for every case on your own.

And TripleSexy isn't really fast :p
 
Intuitive F2L?

1.) what is the difference btwn intuitive f2l and the normal one?
2.) Why is f2l recommended for speed cubing over other methods ?
Can anybody give me some tips for intuitive f2l 'cause i have noticed that i have to search for a corner and edge piece and then move it in. Rotating the cube takes a lot of time.I cant look ahead here because i have to focus on the current pieces.
 
1) F2L can be done algorithmically or intuitively. After some time however, both varieties of F2L solution convert into muscle memory. They are merely approaches to learning F2L.
2) F2L is generally easier to understand for new cubers who come from a LBL (layer by layer) method, considering F2L involves the same, but slightly shortened, step sequence as LBL. I recommend you also investigate the Petrus method and the ZZ method, which offer slightly different twists on the same F2L approach that you are currently learning, but with notable LL (last layer) and potential OH (one-handed solving) advantages. Any investigation in these methods will further your core understanding of the cube, which is more pivotal that anything else in achieving fast times.

To avoid cube rotations, you can check the orientation of the F2L edge piece in question. If the sticker pointing UP on the F2L edge is either the same color or the opposite color (red: orange, blue:green, etc) as the center piece that is FACING YOU, then the F2L pair can be solved with <R,U,L> moves. Rotating the cube is therefore not required for these types of F2L pairs. However, this may entail that you have to insert the F2L pair in a slot that is on the back side of the cube. Although possibly daunting or confusing at first, this is truly a basic technique. Just apply the same intuitive/algorithmic logic that you would normally apply, but from the back.

However, if you notice that the F2L edge sticker that is facing UP is blue, while the center piece that is facing you is orange, you will have to either rotate the cube to the left or to the right to solve the pair with <R,U,L> moves.

This is somewhat advanced, but it can definitely help you reduce the amount of cube rotations you do per solve, which is clearly something you struggle with.
 
To avoid cube rotations, you can check the orientation of the F2L edge piece in question. If the sticker pointing UP on the F2L edge is either the same color or the opposite color (red: orange, blue:green, etc) as the center piece that is FACING YOU, then the F2L pair can be solved with <R,U,L> moves. Rotating the cube is therefore not required for these types of F2L pairs. However, this may entail that you have to insert the F2L pair in a slot that is on the back side of the cube. Although possibly daunting or confusing at first, this is truly a basic technique. Just apply the same intuitive/algorithmic logic that you would normally apply, but from the back.

However, if you notice that the F2L edge sticker that is facing UP is blue, while the center piece that is facing you is orange, you will have to either rotate the cube to the left or to the right to solve the pair with <R,U,L> moves.

This is somewhat advanced, but it can definitely help you reduce the amount of cube rotations you do per solve, which is clearly something you struggle with.
Thanks! That looks helpful, as ever since I've started learning some fingertricks I've been rotating the cube like mad trying to find a comfortable orientation for each turn.
 
dont lookahead until you can. it'll actually get in the way of your finger tricks.
once you can finger trick without thinking about how to do it, then you can start focusing on looking ahead.
 
To avoid cube rotations, you can check the orientation of the F2L edge piece in question. If the sticker pointing UP on the F2L edge is either the same color or the opposite color (red: orange, blue:green, etc) as the center piece that is FACING YOU, then the F2L pair can be solved with <R,U,L> moves. Rotating the cube is therefore not required for these types of F2L pairs. However, this may entail that you have to insert the F2L pair in a slot that is on the back side of the cube. Although possibly daunting or confusing at first, this is truly a basic technique. Just apply the same intuitive/algorithmic logic that you would normally apply, but from the back.

However, if you notice that the F2L edge sticker that is facing UP is blue, while the center piece that is facing you is orange, you will have to either rotate the cube to the left or to the right to solve the pair with <R,U,L> moves.

I cant understand. Can u upload a picture or elaborate more?
thnx:confused:
 
Apply this scramble:

F2 L' B' F2 R' F2 U2 R F R D B F' R' B F2 D2 B L B2 F' U2 B2 U L

Apply this white cross (excuse any inefficiencies; I don't use CFOP):

x2 L F' L B2 R D2

Now look at the white-red-green F2L pair. The corner is in the front-right slot, and the edge is at UR (up-right position). The sticker pointing up on the edge piece is GREEN, and the color of the center piece that is facing you is BLUE. Because these colors are the same/opposites (blue:green, orange:red, etc), we know the white-red-green F2L pair can be solved with RUL moves, and does not require a rotation. To solve the pair, apply

U R U R2 U2 R

But now look at the white-blue-red F2L pair. It is already made on the top left of the cube. But look at the edge piece. The sticker facing up on the edge piece is RED, while the color of the center piece that is facing you is still BLUE. Therefore, we know we have to rotate the cube, such that the center piece that is facing us is either RED OR ORANGE (so it will be the same/opposite in color from the sticker on the F2L edge piece). To rotate and insert the pair with RUL, we apply:

y' U R' U2 R

Now let's look at both F2L pair edges. On the orange-blue edge piece at UL (up-left position), we see the color facing up to be BLUE, while the color of the center piece that is facing us is ORANGE. This pair therefore requires a rotation. But before we solve it, let's look at the next pair. The orange-green edge piece is at FR (front-right position). In this case, the GREEN sticker is facing TOWARDS US. Uh-oh, that's a problem. We only know how to identify edge orientation if the edge piece is in the U-layer and has a sticker facing UP, but this F2L edge isn't in the U-layer and doesn't have a sticker that is facing UP.

Now, imagine doing an R move. This would put the GREEN sticker on TOP of the cube, right? Now, we can compare the color of the edge sticker facing up (GREEN) with the color of the center that is facing us (ORANGE) to know that they are neither the same color or opposite colors. This pair then also requires a cube rotation to be solved. Apply this:

R U R' [put orange-green edge in U-layer]
y [rotate to fix the orientation of the edges, to be able to solve the F2L with only R, U, and L moves]
L U2 L' U' L U L' [solve orange-green pair]
U L' U' L [make blue-orange pair]
F U F' [orient some LL edges]
L' U2 L [insert the blue-orange pair]

R' U' R U' R' U R U' R' U2 R U [2GLL algorithm to solve cube]

Although some parts of this solve were somewhat advanced, there are a few basic techniques that you should now at least understand:
1) How to identify if an F2L pair can be solved with RUL moves, if the F2L edge piece is in the U-layer.
2) How to identify if an F2L pair can be solved with RUL moves, if the F2L edge piece is in the E-layer (layer between U and D).
3) That it's important to know what you're going to do, before you start doing it.

You don't have to actively use this technique when solving. But, if you are ever stuck on how to solve an F2L pair, you can just look at the sticker colors to determine whether or not you need to rotate the cube to solve it ergonomically. Using this strategy will likely help you reduce the amount of rotations that you do significantly, but in order to take advantage of it, you are going to have to invest a split-second to identify edge-orientation. Once you become proficient however, this "sub-step" will become so intuitive, that you will do it without even consciously thinking, and you will do this "sub-conscious thinking" while you are solving other pairs, such that no time is wasted between F2L pairs.

I'm also going to point out that instead of rotating the cube, you could also use insertion moves that involve F or B moves. F and B moves are effectively like rotating the cube and doing R or L moves, but they are often much faster.
 
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I have another question.
When i try to do f2l intuitively, I make more moves than solving algorithamically. Solving intuitively takes me 13 - 14 moves approx ( iam talking about inserting a single pair) whareas solving algorithmically takes only 7- 8 moves. So, I have decided to use algos and also use intuition at the same time. So i have made a list of 20 algos for solving cases i come across regularly. Is it really worth memmorising all those algos or should i go ahead with intuitive method?

And how much time should i take to complete the first two layers to hit sub 1 min ?
 
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You should look at what the algos do, and how they're more efficient than your intuitive method. Personally, I use algs for 2 F2L cases (both 'stuck pieces' cases, where pieces are in place, but wrong orientations), this is because they are much MUCH shorter than the intuitive solutions. If algs are so much more efficient, you might find something intuitive you can use by looking at what they do.

Take a look at this - you should be around 37s for sub 1min.
 
Sorry for late reply.
So i have been practising Intuitive f2l for around a week. Evceryone recommends turning slowly with look ahead. But no matter how I try, I cant look ahead.The peice iam looking out for changes its position as soon as i insert the first pair and it is difficult for me to track 2 pieces at once. I have very insignificant improvement sice i started learning it. Some hints please ? ( "practise practis practise"- this i will do but iam not sure whether it would do any good.)
 
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