Dayan vs. V-Cube Patent Infringement

[darkerarceus]

Umm..
Questions.

What has LUXURY items, growing in a poor society or being born with a defect got to do with me seeing that Verdes is doing the right thing in banning GuHongs?
How does one or a couple of posts prove that an individual 'loves' to defame others?
What has MindStrat Puzzles Ptd. Ltd.'s involvement with charity got to do with being the good guy?

Also, ever thought that most of us don't wanna' provoke ANYONE but are forced to because of something so horrifyingly wrong that we just have to speak up?

Great apologies for this off-topic post.
I had wanted to order the GuHong Ultimate from Lubix today, but found that there was a patent issue and eBay + PayPal blah.
So I then read all 21 pages of this thread to hopefully get some real answers and updates on this whole Verdes debacle (A debacle in my opinion, at least.)

But it seems that there isn't much going on that's been posted up here.
It's a shame, really.
I have never tried a GuHong in my entire life =/

Also, patent signed.
Signature number 59!

So you were the guy that signed right after me!
anyway I think that there are barely ANY similarities in them, the corner kind of but still... I don't think THAT is too much of an infringment. I haven't tried a GuHong but with Faz and Rowe's recors I really don't think that they should disappear. The V3 BETTER be good.

Lucky I ordered my LingYun before this dispute happened.

 

[Stefan]

I think it's a shame that this can happen but I would like to clear something up. In my experience Professor Verdes himself is not likely responsible for these issues and he is not the leader of the company nor the man behind the company's strategy and policy

- please stop calling the professor's name (he is a great mind, just remember how thankful everyone was when the V-series came out)

I can't speak for everyone, but I'm well aware of that. Anyway, I haven't seen anyone attacking him (btw, are you sure he's a professor? Even his own page calls him "Mr."). Pantazis claimed it earlier and I asked him to show one:

For those who insult the inventor

Like who?

But of course he never answered...

Then, they "claim" that I am not responding.

Maybe that's because... I don't know... you're not?

You entered this thread making claims about a video. I asked you three times to show it, but you still haven't. Must be extremely hard to post a link to a video I'm supposed to find easily. And how many times did I and others want to know what the infringement is? You didn't even once even come close to answering that. One really must wonder why, as showing it would certainly help Verdes a lot here. They would get the usual support from many, instead of the anger they're getting right now.

For someone being in the business, being a V-Cubes spokesperson, and being the #1 poster at the TwistyPuzzles forum, you seem to know extremely little about communication.

For communication other than meeting, please use PMs.

So we shall discuss meeting you publicly, and something concerning everybody privately. Sure, makes sense.

 

[chikato_tan]

if Guhong is illegal then we can not use it in WCA , it is my best cube

 

[EricReese]

How many times are people going to ask that stupid question. YES IT IS LEGAL TO USE IT IN COMP. YES. YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES

YES IT IS LEGAL

 

[ElectricDoodie]

I would like to end the same way I started: Patience. Things are almost there.
(and I am not talking about years or months, but weeks!)

Are you implying that you know that the V Company is maliciously stopping all sale of the Guhong, to make a dent in their sales, during the holiday season? And that once the holiday weeks are over, everything will be dropped? Seems like it.




And so far, you have continued to argue and put up your points, but when called out on them, you have yet to actually give anything that's substantial and supports you.

 

[nathanajah]

Are you implying that you know that the V Company is maliciously stopping all sale of the Guhong, to make a dent in their sales, during the holiday season? And that once the holiday weeks are over, everything will be dropped? Seems like it.

I think he means that the other V cubes are about to be released.
Either way, I don't think I will buy them.

 

[Stefan]

Are you implying that you know that the V Company is maliciously stopping all sale of the Guhong, to make a dent in their sales, during the holiday season? And that once the holiday weeks are over, everything will be dropped? Seems like it.

Huh? How do you not interpret that as a hint that V-3 and others shall be available soon?

 

[Pixel 6]

Hmm so eBay says I can't sell GuHongs because Verdes told them I can't... Perhaps then I must be breaking an eBay rule?

I want to see a formal court document on this that makes these actions legal. If you can provide me with no legal proof that I have broken any LAWS, then you are in fact the one who has. Show me a court order, or my cubes go back for sale.

- Pixel -

 

[ElectricDoodie]

If they are hinting at their own release, I just wonder how close it will be to the quality of the Guhongs.

 

[~Adam~]

If it follows the patent I doubt it'll even get close. But who cares? Why would we want to buy it anyway?

 

[ElectricDoodie]

If it follows the patent I doubt it'll even get close. But who cares? Why would we want to buy it anyway?

I know that.
But, I was wondering if they would would completely put the stop on one type of cube, only to make a shoddy version of the same cube, and not try to improve, because they'd be the only ones around.

It's what monopolies try to do. If they can stop everyone else from having a product, they can make it as crappy as they want, because they'll be the only ones.

I know this doesn't directly apply, because of how many cubes there are, but I was just wondering this. If once Guhong was out of the picture, if they would just make a crap cube, and not care.

 

[prostx23]

Hmm so eBay says I can't sell GuHongs because Verdes told them I can't... Perhaps then I must be breaking an eBay rule?

I want to see a formal court document on this that makes these actions legal. If you can provide me with no legal proof that I have broken any LAWS, then you are in fact the one who has. Show me a court order, or my cubes go back for sale.

- Pixel -

That is certainly how I would feel over this situation. Have you requested this information from Ebay? and If they provide nothing, and you start selling there again, is there any other potential penalities besides banishment (which is very easy to get around)?

Mike

 

[maggot]

"I would like to end the same way I started: Patience. Things are almost there.
(and I am not talking about years or months, but weeks!)"


I just want to make it known to everyone that i call bull. weeks will not happen. not in bringing back guhong, not in releasing any more puzzles. and not stupid sticker modifications, actual hardware, bud. i'll speak on behalf of the community that we are tired of being patient with you. we've been patient for years. and your claims continue to have no backbone. PROVE IT! do not confuse efforts with results. the speedcube community does not care about how you save kittens from burning buildings or donate to the special olympics. bring on your claims of releasing puzzles and stop harassing others.

 

[~Adam~]

A thousand weeks is still weeks. They can always fall back on that.

 

[maggot]

no, because it says weeks... 'not years or months'

 

[TheRubiksGod]

Verdes should rethink his strategy. of course many patents are stolen, some are made better and some are made to last 3 days. here is the thing. verdes will never make any "Other" cube, in fact i highly doubt we will even see his prototype in the next 10 years. Why? because we "Cubers" do not condone in buying knockoffs. possibly because of the fisher incident!

If we buy v-cube products we are making sure v-cube will never proceed with their plans to make other cubes. Why? well with this incedent we "Might" ;D see another v-cube because they feel threatened. Therfore i see positives in this unfortunate time

As far as I'm concerned i wouldn't want a v-cube 3 anyway.

The only thing mr. verdes is doing right now is making stupid little variations to his v-cube 7! his buisness should crumble and some real designers should take his plans and make them

If verdes destroys GuHong, then war will be declared!

 

[Kurbitur]

if you look at the mechanism of V3 you se it will never ever be as good as guhong without any modifications. You see how the centers come in the edges ect. there is no chance of getting 45 ° cc and lik 20-30 reverse cc.

 

[HavoCentral]

I signed the petition.
I think a separate thread should be made about this petition.


and this:

done



And I emailed The Verdes people a month or so ago, you can expect new cubes somethime early-mid 2011, though at this point, I'm not sure if anyone will buy them.

 

[FatBoyXPC]

I just heard from an "anonymous source" that early 2011 (mid January) has something wonderful (of a lower order than usual) to be revealed. I guess we'll see.

 

[tacgnol]

If they DO come out with a v3, I would buy it...because it sounds interesting to me...and stuff.
I honestly think some of the posters in this thread should calm down. Honestly. If you think about it, it actually is too early to get worked up. IF the claims by kastellorizo are fact...we look like *******s. I am sorry, but the world can continue without the GuHong. besides, you can still find them if you look around