[Help Thread] ZZ and ZB Discussion

[nickvu2]

Because I've been doing CFOP for about 4 years, and ZZ for 1. I average 20 sec and 30 sec respectively.

 

[oll+phase+sync]

Hi and welcome there.

You should study the COLLs H, U, T, and L. There are some easy cases to know even if you don’t know the full COLLs.

I don’t know a lot about Winter Var.

Instead of Winter Variation I would sugest CLS / EJF2L , it's only 16 cases and during ZZ-F2L there should be quite a lot oportunities to benefit from that.

I never used ZZLL but I used Phasing a lot, without feeling any kind of pain.

 

[Speedmaster]

Do you think it's possible to solve every zzll sub 2 seconds?
what algs do you use, i saw mine at Boca
I'm only cubing for a half year now

 

[nickvu2]

algs
If you're just talking about execution, they are definitely sub-2able. That would be much harder if you include recognition time, but I'm sure it's possible.

 

[Speedmaster]

I have a special system for recognition, i can see if it ia one 4 cases on each side by the corners, and then i look at the edgesd, every case is easy to recognise with this system

 

[nickvu2]

I'm not saying that it's hard, or particularly slow, but ZZLL takes longer to recognize than OLL or PLL.

 

[y235]

is there any ZZ cubers using ZZd (http://stachu.cubing.net/zzd/)?

 

[AustinReed]

is there any ZZ cubers using ZZd (http://stachu.cubing.net/zzd/)?

LOLNO

 

[nitay6669]

why not?
it seems kinda good if its combined with 2GLL, is it?

edit: yea... i just got into the actual link...

and the question remains...

 

[y235]

LOLNO

why not?
recognition isn't that hard, you just need get used to it.
and it good for OH.

 

[cubernya]

You don't get what he's saying

Spoiler

click the link

 

[nitay6669]

btw, i wonder.
in case both first layer corners are in the first layer, what is the most efficient way to do the CP?
these cases are not in stachu's page.

 

[Athefre]

L'UR'U'L
RUL'URU'L

EDIT: Ah, there's something shorter for opposite

 

[whauk]

you are talking about making the cube RU-2gen after 2x2x3?
adj: put corners to be swapped on R: L' U R U' L
opp: L' U R2 U' L

 

[Diniz]

Anyone got any progress on ZZ-d?

 

[y235]

Anyone got any progress on ZZ-d?

what do you mean?

 

[nitay6669]

you are talking about making the cube RU-2gen after 2x2x3?
adj: put corners to be swapped on R: L' U R U' L
opp: L' U R2 U' L

thanks, that's really helpful.
i can do recog in around 5 secs now...
and diniz, this is kinda progress but not in actual ZZ-d.
but its the closest there is right now.

 

[Ezy Ryder]

Is recognizing the Corner Permutation like CLL a good idea?

 

[y235]

Is recognizing the Corner Permutation like CLL a good idea?

no, because there can be cases with "parity" in orientation.

 

[Ezy Ryder]

Sorry, I should've precise. I meant after solving the F2L with LL edge orientation.