Dayan vs. V-Cube Patent Infringement

Sadly for you, many did, at least in private and civilised. Sorry to disappoint you.

Why so much passion in making wrong assumptions and spreading lies?
Yes indeed, it's sad that people are still trying to talk sense into you. Once again you've ignored the part about you not making any sensible argument to our points though. You don't give us enough information and blame us for making wrong assumptions and lying? Way to go.

Also to anyone who has PM'ed kastellorizo and received a satisfactory reply, please do tell us, because I have yet to hear anything about all these PMs. You don't even have to leak the content of the message.
 
Excuse me chris.

kastellorizo states that he'll no longer reply to questions.

we ask questions anyway.

instead of answering, he taunts us with the fact that he said he wouldn't answer, then goes on to further provoke people despite stating that he would no longer communicate.

There is nothing inappropriate with what I posted, kastellorizo is trolling us.
 
I am, and other moderators are as well, heavily moderating this thread as many of you may already be able to tell. I am getting really frustrated by the tone being taken in a number of posts here.

This warning applies to everyone posting in this thread: Keep the discussion civil, regardless of your level of frustration or emotion on the issue.
 
Listen, Kastellorizo, I have been a happy customer of V-cubes so far. Also introduced V-cubes to several other people.

I'm not even sure that Mr. Verdes is behind all that mess we have here.

When such things happen, then it is normal that people are not happy about it and will attack the initiator. Or a spokesman in our case. Actually not a spokesman, but poorly-writersman.

Several questions have been asked in a polite manner and most of your answers are just complaining about people attacking you or saying that you know something that nobody else does and that others should be patient.
Others have been patient, but patience has it's limits especially when something that people like (Guhong) gets blamed for something and it is not even clear what's the reason.

Luckily you have cleared things up. Here is the quote:

What I say, what I believe, and what is right are all different things. But being sarcastic is impolite.

I understand the following:
- you don't say what you believe,
- you believe something that is not right,
- you don't say what is right (in other words - lying).
- you are not polite.

Thank you,


Peedu
 
anyway, here's my stance on this issue:

First, I don't care if Verde created proverty in China or whatever, that's not relevant to the topic at all. I find it reasonable for the Maru 4x4 to be forced off the shelf, because it's just a blatant copy of the V-cube 4 patent. But from what I am seeing here is that the the Guhong bears no resemblence to the V-cube 3 patent (kastellorizo, if you disagree, please elaborate on of which part is the Guhong copied off from the V3). This is fact, and there is no sense in being dogmatic on your opinion as the situation is obvious.

Second, there is no benefit in going after one of the last innovative puzzle designer in China when other KOs are still at large. I think Verde is just plainly lashing out at anyone he could right now, because he is unable to get at the larger YJ/Zhisheng etc. I thought that the best thing to do is rather encouraging innovation in China to reduce knockoffs, rather than venting on them angrily.


-Daniel
 
I just found this thread today and read it all. As far as I see the community reaction Verdes Innovations is not in a very good position right now.

I don't know if GuHong is a V3 copy or not. I do think there are some minor similarities, but don't know if enough to prove it's a KO.

What I don't understand and would like to know, is: Why did they come up with this now? And not immediately GuHong was released? I remember that V Cubes came after the 9 and 11 KO's the first week they appeared and sent a newsletter to prevent people buying those. Why didn't they do the same for Dayan if it's indeed a copy? They've been out like for over 6-7 months.

I don't think V Cubes can win this battle...even if it's legally proved that GuHong is a copy.
 
No idea why you think that was sarcastic. It *is* good to know, and might come in handy later.

Well it sounded like it was. Anyway, appreciated that it was not sarcastic.


Just to clarify my views, because many here, still do not have a clue of what is going on:

1. I believe V-Cubes is right (yes, an opinion as I believe there is similarity to the pieces)
2. Some believe V-Cubes is wrong (yes, another entitled opinion)

Until the verdict is clear, it will be more logical/sensible/fair to wait. No?

This matter seems to be a rather complex one, and explaining it in detail
here, among frustrated cubers is surely not a wise thing.
Others, want me to describe in detail the entire patent conflict.
If I could, then I would be a V-Cube lawyer. But am not.

Moreover, some of you say I am bashing others, but the same people have missed
the name calling that I have received (rightfully edited by mods).
The personal animosity against me with personal insults, just verifies bad manners,
as if I am not allowed to express myself for a specific case. Why call names?
And suddenly, *I* am treated as the reason of the ebay warning, though I had nothing to do with it.
Yes, I support my opinion, just like you all have the right to do. But do I call anyone names?

Regarding the news, I said "weeks" because using the words "months"
would not make sense, as the timing is *less* than a couple of months.
Is this so hard to understand? Instead some of you patronised my comment,
by saying "thousands of weeks" and other sarcastic comments. Would *you*
be disappointed in my position if you revealed this information and then been
bashed? (it is not a load of information, but it *is* information, especially
as I gave more hints!).

And then, you blame me for threatening that I won't say news again!
(meanwhile, I am being targeted with personal attacks!).

Finally, the argument of teaming up with KO companies is a matter of opinion
and the strategy of a specific company. There are good and bad examples
for both cases.

If you did not want a messenger, you just needed to tell me beforehand
and that would have saved all of us of a lot of wasted time.

I'd rather focus on other puzzle activities at the moment, but I find it
very unlikely to get into this information situation again.

I never meant to insult anyone (can someone quote me where in the world I did?
many of you say I am bashing, but as explained above, it is the other way around).

*take big breath*


Pantazis
 
When such things happen, then it is normal that people are not happy about it and will attack the initiator.


Yes, indeed. But is it right? Would *you* like to be in their position? Would you ever be in their position to understand?

I understand the following:
- you don't say what you believe,
- you believe something that is not right,
- you don't say what is right (in other words - lying).
- you are not polite.

So you being sarcastic is polite? While when I express my stance is not? Wow...
Some have understood this already, so your effort was again to ridicule me. Why?
 
In other news, I just ordered some Guhongs :D

Well thankfully if I only go thru 1 GuHong a week I'll have enough to last me 5 years or so... Or until Vcube releases their knockoff of the GuHong... I mean their patented model built to exacting quality and specifications. Ooh, and with high quality rivets! Bonus! And that super smooth plastic they use, and don't forget those high quality stickers. Not to mention you can get it in any color you want... So long as it's white.

It's said to be the 3x3 that's going to replace all 3x3s right? Or perhaps out perform all that came before it? Let's face it, they are not known to release the best in quality. All jokes aside, how can they possibly believe deep down that their 3x3 can replace some of the current designs?

The only thing that'd really make me laugh... Is if they designed it with a multicolor plastic. Atleast then the V3x3 could be banned from competition without bias.

Shoot... I've probably just given them too many ideas... Back to the drawing board Verdes!

I'm going to take some of the knock-off guhong parts I have lying around here and build a 3x3 illusion before they do. Or maybe the USA cube...

- Pixel -




I guess by then I can decide which GuHong will be my main.
 
You entered this thread making claims about a video. I asked you three times to show it, but you still haven't. Must be extremely hard to post a link to a video I'm supposed to find easily. And how many times did I and others want to know what the infringement is? You didn't even once even come close to answering that.
I'm still waiting on this.

1. I believe V-Cubes is right (yes, an opinion as I believe there is similarity to the pieces)
And no, this isn't a viable answer.
 
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