The method debate thread

[PetraPine]

Im just gonna put this here:
2H: Roux>ZZ=CFOP>Petrus=LEOR?(Or, Leor is worse because not being able to predict stripe makes it not as efficient for EO 223)
Oh: Roux>ZZ<LEOR>PETRUS>CFOP
(my opinions)

 

[DNF_Cuber]

Im just gonna put this here:
2H: Roux<ZZ=CFOP<Petrus=LEOR?(Or, Leor is worse because not being able to predict stripe makes it not as efficient for EO 223)
Oh: Roux<ZZ<LEOR<PETRUS<CFOP
(my opinions)

I think you have those < symbols backwards. The alligator eats the big snack

 

[PetraPine]

I think you have those < symbols backwards. The alligator eats the big snack

ya they are didnt mean to put it that way

 

[Cubing Forever]

I think you have those < symbols backwards. The alligator eats the big snack

The alligator is the best way to remember which sign to use lol.

 

[Nir1213]

The alligator is the best way to remember which sign to use lol.

nom nom nom

 

[ProStar]

p o t a t o

best method

 

[ZB2op]

2H:
1)CFOP
2)Roux
3)ZZ
OH:
1)Roux
2)CFOP
3)ZZ

 

[DNF_Cuber]

OH:

2)CFOP
3)ZZ

ZZ is better than CFOP OH IMO

 

[Nir1213]

p o t a t o

best method

just wire the potato to the rubiks cube and the potato will transfer its energy to the cube so the cube has enough power to solve itself

this is what i call efficiency

 

[MichaelZRC]

Optimal list:
1). Petrus
2). ZZ
3). Rouxduced

 

[Nir1213]

2H:
1)CFOP
2)Roux
3)ZZ
OH:
1)Roux
2)CFOP
3)ZZ

nah roux and cfop are tied. In oh cfop and zz are tied too, IMO.

Optimal list:
1). Petrus
2). ZZ
3). Rouxduced

no wonder why everyone says "or you can use petrus"
petrus is nice

 

[Scollier]

Optimal list:
1). Petrus
2). ZZ
3). Rouxduced

CFOP is so much better than Petrus bc there is less thinking. You can't get fast enough TPS to get good times if you use Petrus over CFOP.

 

[Nir1213]

CFOP is so much better than Petrus bc there is less thinking. You can't get fast enough TPS to get good times if you use Petrus over CFOP.

i feel like petrus has much more possibilities tho. If you are a fast thinccer you can do Petrus pretty fast.

 

[DNF_Cuber]

Ya know @MichaelZRC was talking movecount, right?

 

[Nir1213]

Ya know @MichaelZRC was talking movecount, right?

no?

 

[MichaelZRC]

Ya know @MichaelZRC was talking movecount, right?

I wasn't?

CFOP is so much better than Petrus bc there is less thinking. You can't get fast enough TPS to get good times if you use Petrus over CFOP.

Although CFOP requires less thinking, petrus is much more efficient, and still doesn't need too much thinking, with 223 planned in inspection, and EO being algorithmic.

 

[DNF_Cuber]

I wasn't?

Although CFOP requires less thinking, petrus is much more efficient, and still doesn't need too much thinking, with 223 planned in inspection, and EO being algorithmic.

Okay I thought you meant movecount since you said things like

Optimal

 

[PetraPine]

If you use bottom edge f2l pairs for Last side than the only step that requires a decent amount of thinking is 223 and because it can be done in inspect that doesn't really matter, the real issue with petrus is does the efficiency make up for ergo and make petrus have higher ((total)) tps capability.
this is the only factor that really matters if you are comparing methods potential because it shows how far methods can go in comparison because most methods comparing pros and cons gets you nowhere.
A solve with 45 moves that is 6 seconds takes 7.5 moves,
A solve with 55 moves that is 6 seconds takes ~9.17 moves.
So you have to say is that amount of tps possible with petrus? what is petruses limit?
If you think lets say you can have 45 move efficiency and 8.5 tps you can average 5.29, so I think with ZBLL petrus has alot of potential if you can increase overall tps to its near max with the method.
(223 in inspect, Algorithmic EO and very good EO recog, ZBLL)
((Im not saying petrus is better than CFOP here btw this is just me saying why I think petrus is good))

 

[the dnf master]

3-style is the best

 

[PetraPine]

3-style is the best

lol no
(not nearly as efficient as normal speed-solving methods and to inspection reliant)