[Help Thread] ZZ and ZB Discussion

MarcelP said:
Amazing website. Being a developer myself I can highly appreciate stuff like this :) What are your ZZ times Louis? It seems you are knowledgeble at more than a few methods :) Are you allready faster at Roux than CFOP?
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I used to be sub-15 with ZZ, but I haven't practised much recently, so my times are around 16. I'm not yet faster with Roux; I average around 14 with Roux and mid-low 13s with CFOP.
 
TDM said:
I used to be sub-15 with ZZ, but I haven't practised much recently, so my times are around 16. I'm not yet faster with Roux; I average around 14 with Roux and mid-low 13s with CFOP.
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Strange that for some Roux is the solution to every problem and they are faster than CFOP in no time. And for others it just will not happen.. I do not think I will every become faster at Roux. But for now let's see how this ZZ works out.. :)
 
MarcelP said:
Strange that for some Roux is the solution to every problem and they are faster than CFOP in no time. And for others it just will not happen.. I do not think I will every become faster at Roux. But for now let's see how this ZZ works out.. :)
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I think Roux is faster than CFOP if you're good at Roux, but some of my solutions are too similar to CFOP. I do have an advantage in switching later in that I have a better TPS than most other Rouxers my speed, but my blocks are bad. I think if I get decent at FB I might be able to get my Roux times below my CFOP times, but that could still take a month or two.

ZZ and CFOP are quite different to Roux, but ZZ is quite close to CFOP, so hopefully you'll improve at it very quickly :)
 
MarcelP said:
Strange that for some Roux is the solution to every problem and they are faster than CFOP in no time. And for others it just will not happen.. I do not think I will every become faster at Roux. But for now let's see how this ZZ works out.. :)
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do you know you would be the second Marcel P. to use ZZ?
 
How do you deal with this F2L case? L' U' L U2 L' U2 L R U' R' U'
Corner is in the top layer with the F or B color on the U face, the edge is inserted in a slot where there's not a way to pair it with the corner in 3 moves.

I place the corner on top of the edge, take the two out (flipping the corner to get the L or R color on top), then separate and insert them: R U' R' L' U L U' L' U' L (the R' can be omitted but I do it if the cross piece is already solved in the side from where I'm removing the edge). Does anyone have a better way to do this?
 
adimare said:
How do you deal with this F2L case? L' U' L U2 L' U2 L R U' R' U'
Corner is in the top layer with the F or B color on the U face, the edge is inserted in a slot where there's not a way to pair it with the corner in 3 moves.
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If the blue-red edge and corner weren't in such an easy position, I'd do R U R' U R to break the orange-blue pair up, then U L' U' L to insert.
 
adimare said:
How do you deal with this F2L case? L' U' L U2 L' U2 L R U' R' U'
Corner is in the top layer with the F or B color on the U face, the edge is inserted in a slot where there's not a way to pair it with the corner in 3 moves.

I place the corner on top of the edge, take the two out (flipping the corner to get the L or R color on top), then separate and insert them: R U' R' L' U L U' L' U' L (the R' can be omitted but I do it if the cross piece is already solved in the side from where I'm removing the edge). Does anyone have a better way to do this?
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I would either use what AlphaSheep suggested or U R U' R' U2 R L' U L both are nine moves mines 8 if you dont count the U set up move and in this particular case it sets up the last pair quite nicely :)
 
adimare said:
How do you deal with this F2L case? L' U' L U2 L' U2 L R U' R' U'
Corner is in the top layer with the F or B color on the U face, the edge is inserted in a slot where there's not a way to pair it with the corner in 3 moves.

I place the corner on top of the edge, take the two out (flipping the corner to get the L or R color on top), then separate and insert them: R U' R' L' U L U' L' U' L (the R' can be omitted but I do it if the cross piece is already solved in the side from where I'm removing the edge). Does anyone have a better way to do this?
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U R' F2 R F2

Think outside the box brah.

In other words, use Petrus for a week. All these complexities become obvious :).
 
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