[Help Thread] ZZ and ZB Discussion

[IAmAPerson]

Unless all edges were flipped in place.

Well that would be one of my OH CRAP moments. XD

 

[2180161]

So, I use ZB, and was wondering about what time-frame, I should be before attempting to learn full ZBLL? Should I at least know COLL first?

 

[cashis]

So, I use ZB, and was wondering about what time-frame, I should be before attempting to learn full ZBLL? Should I at least know COLL first?

COLL helps, but in the end you'll know full ZBLL and won't need COLL anyway. Its just when you learn the algorithms thats different.

 

[TDM]

So, I use ZB, and was wondering about what time-frame, I should be before attempting to learn full ZBLL? Should I at least know COLL first?

COLLs are all ZBLLs so it makes sense to learn COLL first. You can then go through ZBLLs one COLL at a time.

It will also help with recognition to learn COLL first.

 

[2180161]

Ok. However, I cant seem to find any COLL sites anywhere. do you know of a good one that has the image of the cube with the case?

 

[cashis]

Ok. However, I cant seem to find any COLL sites anywhere. do you know of a good one that has the image of the cube with the case?

algdb.com

 

[2180161]

that is an invalid website. It is just a purchased Domain with nothing there

 

[mDiPalma]

that is an invalid website. It is just a purchased Domain with nothing there

http://algdb.net

 

[cashis]

http://algdb.net

o lol

 

[theROUXbiksCube]

I plan to learn ZBLL for ZZ OH, where should I start, with what set? I already know COLL, and how is recognition going to work?

 

[2180161]

I plan to learn ZBLL for ZZ OH, where should I start, with what set? I already know COLL, and how is recognition going to work?

I dont know COLL, only about 10-15 ZBll ( I have too much time on my hands ) but It works i (I heard anyway) by recognizing the COLL case, and then how the edges need to move.

 

[cashis]

I plan to learn ZBLL for ZZ OH, where should I start, with what set? I already know COLL, and how is recognition going to work?

1. recognize oll
2. recognize coll
3. compare edges to nearby corners.
there's a guide that explains it somewhere, look in the ZBLL discussion thread about 5 pages back. I asked the same question

 

[mDiPalma]

1. recognize oll
2. recognize coll
3. compare edges to nearby corners.
there's a guide that explains it somewhere, look in the ZBLL discussion thread about 5 pages back. I asked the same question

if he already knows coll, there's no reason to recog the oll.

basically, i recommend going through the alg sheets and learn the easiest algs to recognize and work them into your solves gradually. L3C algs and h-perm looking algs are good. also sune algs. it is actually possible to do every 2GLL alg (the RU ones) with only sunes, if you're into that.

 

[TDM]

if he already knows coll, there's no reason to recog the oll.

How do you recognise COLL if you don't recognise which subset it is first?

 

[mDiPalma]

How do you recognise COLL if you don't recognise which subset it is first?

when you finish the F2L, do you consciously go:

1) ok, what OLL is this? Lets see which corners are oriented....ok it's those two. This is the T case.
2) ok so I know it's the T case, but there are several T-case COLLs... hmmm.. This one has the two same colors over here......so it's the regular alg.


or do you go:

1) ok this COLL is the regular alg.

i'm pretty sure for most people those two recognition steps come at the same time, especially if you have a good grasp on COLL, which is what the guy claimed.

 

[2180161]

So... I have tried many methods, but the one that I really seem to like is ZZ. So, how should I go about practicing my EOline? I first build the line, then do Eo, but have the line built so it is a D, D', or D2 away from being solved. As a 40 second ZZ solver, is that a decent way to start?

 

[DizzypheasantZZ]

So... I have tried many methods, but the one that I really seem to like is ZZ. So, how should I go about practicing my EOline? I first build the line, then do Eo, but have the line built so it is a D, D', or D2 away from being solved. As a 40 second ZZ solver, is that a decent way to start?

The best way to do is to do EO first and then the line. After EO, the line can be solved within 4 moves. EO is usually not to hard to plan out, and if you look ahead into the line, its really fast.

Does anyone use wide or slice turns during the eoline to make it easier or to orient edges?

 

[Berkmann18]

Is there anyone that use full intuitive ZBLS ?

 

[2180161]

Yes, I do

Well, at least for 2H

 

[Berkmann18]

Yes, I do

Well, at least for 2H

Yay, cool to see I'm not the only one.
Anyway do you use COLL+EPLL, ZBLL or OLS+PLL ?