Dayan vs. V-Cube Patent Infringement

It seems that verdes is nothing more than a patent troll.
Even if he does somehow manage to release a 3x3x3 cube within the next 10 years or so, I won't be buying it, and shall boycott all of his products.

riffz said:

I really hope these don't get pulled from lightake.

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Popbuying will stock them i reckon.

Has anyone thought about selling them a ornaments, or just puzzles to build? Can we get away with it? Can sellers give them away as free gifts? eg - buy a penny for £12.50 and get a free Guhong? There must be ways around this.

kastellorizo said:

Just go to their YouTube video

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WHICH? I've only seen this one which doesn't contain a single insult or attempt to ridicule Verdes, and does point out a similarity (to V-5 corners, though I don't know why one would use those instead of V-3 corners). So that's definitely not the video you're talking about.

Congrats for failing to show the video and anything else asked for, but adding lots of irrelevant nonsense.

kastellorizo said:

So the question is, who do *you* support?

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Cubing, the cubing community, and truth.

Stefan said:

Congrats for failing to show the video and anything else asked for, but adding lots of irrelevant nonsense.

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Trust me, the feelings are more than mutual. For instance, if you were fair, you wouldn't have overlooked kids
name-calling in the forum, but I guess popularity is more important for you.

Stefan said:

Cubing, the cubing community, and truth.

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See what I mean? A great statement for popularity, but what does it have to do with the actual case?

You're still refusing to show the video or back up any of your claims, I see.

kastellorizo said:

See what I mean? A great statement for popularity, but what does it have to do with the actual case?

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You asked, I answered. What do you want?

What does any of the things he said have do to with popularity?

you can still buy YJ 4x4 and shengshou 4x4. Verdes hasn't spent time on banning these as they haven't sold much but as soon as people star buying shenshou 4x4 or YJ he will ban them. And yeah i understand the point of the patent but this is like i would paint a picture of a woman and then leonard da vinci would let me pay patent cost because he painted mona lisa. And if verde isn't in this for the money why the **** is he spending so much money on protecting his invisible puzzle. Patent costs ALOT and its just silly buying a patent for something that doesn't exist. Do you think the computers would be so good these days if someone who made the first computer had patent it and then didn't allow anyone to make better version of it? NO I DONT THINK SO.

Stefan said:

You're still refusing to show the video or back up any of your claims, I see.

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There should only be 2 videos.. (which are the same but with different titles) I edited my original posting here to include the video that I think he might be quoting.


This Guhong claim sounds a lot like Creationist's claims that Dogs cannot give birth to Cats... like patent drawings of the 3x3 giving birth to the amazing Guhong... kinda silly.

I just opened my Guhong (for cleaning) and still don't understand which part of the Guhong is in conflict with V-cube design or patent. Looks totally different from patent drawings.


Peedu

Some infractions given, and lots of posts deleted. Don't turn this thread into a flame war. I realize that emotions and feelings are running at redline considering the circumstances, but keep the discussion civil or bans will be handed out as well.

I Support Verdes!

I support Verdes protecting his invention. I have the V5/V6/V7 and will continue to support Verdes V-Cube products in the future. I believe the GuHong was inspired by the V-Cube design, but I am not quite sure why the YJ big cubes were not addressed first? Although, it is near impossible to find a place selling a non V-Cube of the 6/7/9/11 order (which are all copies of the V-Cube design of course) so maybe that has been addressed more quietly than the GuHong...

I just ordered a Guhang from lightake about 3 days ago. Do you think they will still send it? How long do you think they will still offer them?

I think the only reason I was the first to find out about this was simply because I had active auctions on eBay... are there any other active cubers here that also had listings on eBay that had the same thing happen?

Also, are there any cubing store owners that have had cease and desist notices given to them via their store from Verdes Innovations?

I'm wondering if eBay was the first spot that this happened, and where it's going from there...

Lastly, I read a post on another forum that everyone knew that *this* was coming... must have missed that email.



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cmhardw said:

Some infractions given, and lots of posts deleted. Don't turn this thread into a flame war. I realize that emotions and feelings are running at redline considering the circumstances, but keep the discussion civil or bans will be handed out as well.

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I agree!

I started this thread to hopefully get a more meaningful answer regarding the patent, and to also inform other cube stores of what consequences might happen when selling the Guhong. This whole ordeal shouldn't necessarily be drawn out on a personal level... it's more of a community thing... because the Guhong has become the #1 speed cube and has most certainly helped cubers reach a new level of speed.

I do wish for V-cubes success and to hopefully release new products (as mentioned in another thread) in 2 months.

As a business owner myself I truly understand the difficulty of making money and paying off debts in a terrible economy. And perhaps this is the case for V-cube... but still there are quite a few questions that need answers...

Zarlor said:

I believe the GuHong was inspired by the V-Cube design

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Though even if that's true (no idea), that doesn't make it illegal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Design_around

In the field of patents, the phrase "to design around" means to invent an alternative to a patented invention that does not infringe the patent’s claims. The phrase can also refer to the invention itself.

Design arounds are considered to be one of the benefits of patent law. By providing monopoly rights to inventors in exchange for disclosing how to make and use their inventions, others are given both the information and incentive to invent competitive alternatives that design around the original patent. In the field of vaccines, for example, design arounds are considered fairly easy. It is often possible to use the original patent as a guide for developing an alternative that does not infringe the original patent.

Well, if Verdes pressess charges against DaYan and wins, maybe they can get the funds to release the 2-4, 6b, and 8-11.

EDIT: LighTake still has them up, right?

EDIT2: Don't know why I even asked, just checked, and they do. For now, that is.

Stefan, that is the most valid arguement EVER. It is entirely possible to make something which is legally dissimilar. Verdes going after the YongJun 5,6,7 etc. would be understandable. Those ARE blatent copies. However, the GuHong Is disimilar in many ways, Which I will point out to the best of my ablility

1. The corners (Of the GuHong) have a triangular bowl shape rather than a shape resembling a quarter of a sphere (Of V-3). They also do not have a cut out 'track' in the cube portion

2. The Edges are completely lacking of the V cube mechanism's 'track' lip. They also do not have a base in the shape of a standing quarter circle, rather they branch off in to a moon-like shape.

3. The centers are entirely dissimilar. Rather than having the protrusion which the v mech is known for, they are cubical in appearrance. The stalk itself is also very dissimilar, Haveing a diameter close to that of the screw.

I know this all sounds stupid, and there is much more detail than that, but this is what I have to say. I mean no disrespect to Verdes or Pantazis, but I believe these cubes to be different enough to not infringe on the patent...however, I am no lawyer. And thus this is only an opinion

Hi,

Slightly off topic here, but this reminded me of something I've been curious about. Around the beginning of the year I remember reading an article about a big Cube bust here in the U.S. I believe that the cubes were the cheap knockoffs that you can find in dollar stores. Technically aren't all non Rubik's brand cube illegal in the U.S.?

FWIW I'm glad I bought my Guhong and LingYun when I did (a few weeks ago).

Mike

So, Verdes is going about the same route as early Microsoft?
The whole "Stomp out your competition, before they gain a foothold?"

Microsoft did this with early Apple products and with Netscape. There's a whole book on it, and how Microsoft was able to force itself to becoming #1.

I hate verdes
That take so ****ing long to bring out their cubes