ZZ speedcubing method

[cubelover111]

CFOP is boring because you just look at look at the cube and use algorithms. Not much thinking needed.(In my opinion)


Also, what is a good beginner method for easy transition into ZZ?

dude only the last layer uses algorithms the cross and f2l is intuitive

 

[Ickenicke]

dude only the last layer uses algorithms the cross and f2l is intuitive

Not if you use algorithms for F2L

 

[applemobile]

Then don't use algs for F2l :|

 

[cubelover111]

Not if you use algorithms for F2L

The majority uses intuitive f2l and you can not make a statement that CFOP is based on algorithms just by looking at a few people.

 

[Pyjam]

This is a “constructive” thread about ZZ ?
Please !

 

[already1329]

This is a “constructive” thread about ZZ ?
Please !

What is a good beginner method for easy transition into ZZ?

 

[Cubenovice]

What is a good beginner method for easy transition into ZZ?

I don't think there is any "beginner" method that involves an EO start*
To understand EO some cube experience would be very usefull.

Therefore I think Petrus could be a good starting point
- Starts with blockbuilding
- Followed by EO

This way you build experience with both, then it is just a matter of reversing the order  and integrating the “line” into the EO

*Human Thistlethwaite starts with EO though

 

[already1329]

I don't think there is any "beginner" method that involves an EO start*
To understand EO some cube experience would be very usefull.

Therefore I think Petrus could be a good starting point
- Starts with blockbuilding
- Followed by EO

This way you build experience with both, then it is just a matter of reversing the order  and integrating the “line” into the EO

*Human Thistlethwaite starts with EO though

Thanks.

 

[Pyjam]

I think of Petrus, too. For the same reason.
But I don't believe that Petrus is an “easy” transition from CFOP to ZZ. It's more a way to approach blockbuiding.

 

[ChaosWZ]

Play with this: http://rubiks-cube.c0.pl/inne/eoline.html

This is brilliant, I love you.

 

[aznanimedude]

ahaha, i never bothered to use this, i just trudged along learning EOLine

this is pretty useful though, gotta admit

 

[Petro Leum]

Okay, first of all, hi! This is my first post on this forum. i switched from Fridrich (around 20s ao12) to ZZ (27s+ ao12) yesterday, and now im not sure what to do with the last layer... i am currently learning COLL which i will definately give a try, but is it possible that WV+PLL is faster in terms of MC/Recognition/Performing speed than COLL+EPLL? Since my blockbuilding isnt the greatest (due to lack of practice with petrus/roux etc) would that be a good alternative?

How long did it take you (advanced ZZ-cubers) to master the planning of EOLine in 15 seconds?
will phasing +ZZLL be worth the amount of learning after finishing COLL, or is the recognition time just too long?

Okay, i am done with the Questions
Good evening

 

[aznanimedude]

personally i would go COLL + EPLL because of how it transistions to ZZLL if you go for that. Once you have COLL down, i feel it's really then just being able to recognize how you're supposed to move the edges around at that point i think (i'm not quite at that point yet so i can't speak for that)

work on block building, it's different to get your head around that because of how free you are really to be moving the R U and L faces around, i'm still getting used to it myself, or at least making my block building more economic and efficient
i've been using ZZ for at least 2 months, still not quite that strong in EOLine planning, but it's more just me being too lazy to actually plan it out and just being content to spot bad edges as i go, i really need to make more of an effort to plan that part out

 

[Pyjam]

I recommend that you start with COLL + EPLL, but choose COLL algs that preserve the phase. Later, it will be easier if you choose phasing + ZZLL.

 

[Petro Leum]

I recommend that you start with COLL + EPLL, but choose COLL algs that preserve the phase. Later, it will be easier if you choose phasing + ZZLL.

how do i know a COLL alg would preserve the phase? i mean, i also firstly want to use the fastest COLLs...

 

[Pyjam]

Hum... just try it, and you'll see.
I believe there are some ZZLL algs that are not so bad.
I wrote a pdf with my algs for ZZLL Pi, but it's in french. Not really a problem, I suppose.

What you need to know:
C = FU equal to FUL.
O = FU opposite to FUL.
xC = FU equal to UFL.
xO = FU opposite to UFL.

 

[Egide]

Hi guys, has any of you ever considered using JTLE in order to reduce move count in a solve (or just for fun) ? it's 2Gen (10 moves on average) and in some cases very easy to set up.

 

[Gucci Cubing]

I can solve eo line in an average of 4.27 seconds. However, my f2l takes about 47 seconds. I learned ZZ 3 days ago and I was curious if anyone knew any tips for learning and getting better at f2l?

 

[GuRoux]

I can solve eo line in an average of 4.27 seconds. However, my f2l takes about 47 seconds. I learned ZZ 3 days ago and I was curious if anyone knew any tips for learning and getting better at f2l?

do slow solves, try to average under 35 moves for f2l.

 

[noodlez]

oy does anyone have a pdf on the zz method? if so send please. it must have instructions to eoline, f2l, and coll.