ZZ speedcubing method

[StachuK1992]

Thanks!
So I do this instead of phasing?

 

[*LukeMayn*]

No, It's not may avg. that's it with Fridrich...
I'm like 25's with ZZ
WV is pairing up the corner and edge, then inserting it while Orienting the LL corners.

The uber method is

EOline
RUL F2L minus 1 slot
last slot with OLL (WV + CLS) the CLS is for when the edge is already in place.
PLL

 

[Lord Voldemort]

Thanks!
So I do this instead of phasing?

Preferably.
I think it's better.
The only drawback is when you have something like this:
Setup: R U' R' (insert the pair)
Obviously, the thing is that you would have to take out the pair in order to do WV. So the algorithms for 2LOLL are still needed.

I still don't get it: what's CLS?
I looked at this page, but...

 

[StachuK1992]

No, It's not may avg. that's it with Fridrich...
I'm like 25's with ZZ
WV is pairing up the corner and edge, then inserting it while Orienting the LL corners.

Alright, so is this my solve?:
EOline
Block-build left side & BR 'slot'
Winter variation
EPLL

 

[byu]

CLS is when you put in the fourth F2L corner and orient all corners at the same time. In ZZ, that means a guarenteed OLL skip

 

[*LukeMayn*]

Winter Variation won't lead you to EPLL stachuk...
Just PLL

 

[StachuK1992]

Winter Variation won't lead you to EPLL stachuk...

by EPLL, I meant Permutation of the Edges of the Last Layer...
oh, wait...will it lead me to a full PLL, because I've been just did 4 solves, and got all cases w/ no corners mispermuted...

 

[Lord Voldemort]

CLS is when you put in the fourth F2L corner and orient all corners at the same time. In ZZ, that means a guarenteed OLL skip

How's that different from Winter Variation then?
Oh, I see. But I never understood this about MGLS - what's the point in just putting in an edge for your last pair to force a 1LLL? Isn't that just wasting time in the F2L to get a 1LLL?

 

[byu]

26.94 average of 5. I haven't even used this method for an hour

 

[*LukeMayn*]

CLS is when you put in the fourth F2L corner and orient all corners at the same time. In ZZ, that means a guarenteed OLL skip

How's that different from Winter Variation then?
Oh, I see. But I never understood this about MGLS - what's the point in just putting in an edge for your last pair to force a 1LLL? Isn't that just wasting time in the F2L to get a 1LLL?

It's basically there so it's good for when the edge is already in place

 

[StachuK1992]

26.94 average of 5. I haven't even used this method for an hour

what avgs did you get before?

 

[Lord Voldemort]

26.94 average of 5. I haven't even used this method for an hour

Argh...
I see your #3 UWR for memo though...
If you get sub-20 before the hour ends, I'll feel quite sad for my lack of skill

@Stachuk - yes, you got lucky with the corners 4 times in a row.
MAYBE HE DISCOVERED ZZ-D SUBCONSCIOUSLY!!!!!! OMG

 

[*LukeMayn*]

26.94 average of 5. I haven't even used this method for an hour

Argh...
I see your #3 UWR for memo though...
If you get sub-20 before the hour ends, I'll feel quite sad for my lack of skill

Lol same, he must recog the EO like crazy

 

[Anthony]

CLS is when you put in the fourth F2L corner and orient all corners at the same time. In ZZ, that means a guarenteed OLL skip

How's that different from Winter Variation then?
Oh, I see. But I never understood this about MGLS - what's the point in just putting in an edge for your last pair to force a 1LLL? Isn't that just wasting time in the F2L to get a 1LLL?

The point of MGLS is to insert the final edge while simultaneously orienting the LL edges. Then with CLS you will insert the final corner while orienting the LL corners. Basically, that means you don't do OLL and remember, all CLS cases are two gen R U algorithms. It can be very fast. Just not many people use it, I can only think of Lucas and Justin, although there may be a couple more.

 

[StachuK1992]

26.94 average of 5. I haven't even used this method for an hour

Argh...
I see your #3 UWR for memo though...
If you get sub-20 before the hour ends, I'll feel quite sad for my lack of skill

@Stachuk - yes, you got lucky with the corners 4 times in a row.
MAYBE HE DISCOVERED ZZ-D SUBCONSCIOUSLY!!!!!! OMG

Actually, I think I have an idea of the missing link that I've read about. Since I'm doing my EOline in a different way, I may be accidentally doing this...
3 more solves...corners still permuted!

 

[Lord Voldemort]

YOU!
Explain right now
You're doing something, 7 lucky solves in a row is like.... I don't know.
Probably a smaller chance than a 2x2x2 skip.

 

[*LukeMayn*]

CLS is when you put in the fourth F2L corner and orient all corners at the same time. In ZZ, that means a guarenteed OLL skip

How's that different from Winter Variation then?
Oh, I see. But I never understood this about MGLS - what's the point in just putting in an edge for your last pair to force a 1LLL? Isn't that just wasting time in the F2L to get a 1LLL?

The point of MGLS is to insert the final edge while simultaneously orienting the LL edges. Then with CLS you will insert the final corner while orienting the LL corners. Basically, that means you don't do OLL and remember, all CLS cases are two gen R U algorithms. It can be very fast. Just not many people use it, I can only think of Lucas and Justin, although there may be a couple more.

Baiscally, we're doing CLS for only the cases where the edge is pre in because it's quicker or about the same.
We also do Winter Variation because it's quicker than placed edge in, then CLS.

 

[byu]

18.89 single, first sub 20 with ZZ,is it lucky if only 2 edges misoriented. Hours over now.

 

[StachuK1992]

YOU!
Explain right now

Well, unfortunately, I did get one solve (out of about 20) that had mis-permuted corners (2); still, reducing the number might still help, and I may have made a mistake in that solve.

I think that I might be onto something...skipping House in order to help find 'missing link'...

 

[Lord Voldemort]

wtf????
What's your previous method and average with that?