[Help Thread] ZZ and ZB Discussion

for 4x4x4 i use OBLBL just cuz i felt like it and mDiPalma told me to do. In secret i actually use Yau and just CFOP after the dedge pairing. Aka, i do whatever i feel like at the moment, although i've been doing OBLBL more recently just because.

as for the F2L, i just do whatever i find whenever i find it. whichever 1x2x2 block i find first i do that, then from there if i easily find a 1x2x2 i can make on the other side i do that, if i find the last pair for the side i just did a 1x2x2 i do that, it's basically whatever i see to do at the moment.

As for COLL, just by itself there's little reason to do it because as others have stated, OCLL+PLL is just as fast if not faster recognition+execution wise. If you were to say it's because you plan to go from there to ZZLL or ZBLL, then COLL is the middle step between 7 alg OLL into that. That's still an investment. I use COLL just because i initially was going to go ZZ-b and learn ZZLL, but also did it cuz i didn't wanna do T-perms, now i'm at the point i just do it because i've been doing it for so long but starting off if you want to, do it, if you're hesitant just remember OCLL+PLL is fast already. COLL just because not probably worth it, COLL because ZBLL or ZZLL, maybe, but at the same time you will have the argument that in the time it takes you to save moves because of 1LLL, you could be spending that time optimising other parts of your solve
 
i do freeslice with simultaneous EOLine for 5-7 (but i actually dont do 6-7 XD) and yau + cfop or yau + ZZ (when i get 2-4 disoriented edges) for 4x4
 
wow, congratz! of course im interested. did you practise OH much? did you set this as goal? i just achieved my goal of an official sub20 avg5 - it was 19.97 :P
 
Yes, I practise OH often. Not as much as 3BLD, but I do some long sessions and an avg100 once in a while. My times are usually around mid-high 18's.
I didn't set any goal, but I hoped for a sub20 average and possibly 3rd - 2nd place at the Italian Championship. I got this, but I placed 6th in the final round with a 21.xx average.
 
focus on optimizing EO-Line and blockbuilding F2L above all else. uvafan especially has shown that OCLL-PLL is quite fast
not necesarily needed to go straight into COLL, although if you are really thinking about doing say...ZZ-b, which is phasing + ZZLL, COLL would be a stepping stone to that in learning sticker recognition.

i'm really personally thinking of learning or at least doing ZZ-rainbow a bit more, since it looks a bit fun to do, it's basically a variation on ZZ-d where CP comes after first block is solved

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Definitely WV and possibly SV, I would say.


or that :P
 
I recently learned ~20 wv cases. However, i only use the fast ones in speedsolves when I have the left block finished first.

To be honest, learning the entire wv set (and inverses and mirrors) is only effective in petrus, where all the mirrors are irrelevant.

But CPLS should theoretically be the best variant, provided you know 2gll. But that's hard recognition and a lot of algs (respectively).

I didn't quite answer your question. But if I were you, I'd learn the short/fast WV cases, the H+Pi COLLs, OCLL, & PLL. Influencing the LL during F2L is somewhat overrated, in my opinion.
 
I recently learned ~20 wv cases. However, i only use the fast ones in speedsolves when I have the left block finished first.

To be honest, learning the entire wv set (and inverses and mirrors) is only effective in petrus, where all the mirrors are irrelevant.

But CPLS should theoretically be the best variant, provided you know 2gll. But that's hard recognition and a lot of algs (respectively).

I didn't quite answer your question. But if I were you, I'd learn the short/fast WV cases, the H+Pi COLLs, OCLL, & PLL. Influencing the LL during F2L is somewhat overrated, in my opinion.
+1.

I agree because you could be spending all the work that it would take to get up to speed w/COLL and WV slow solving, which would be much more beneficial to your time.
 
What alg do you use for that? I use U FURU'R'URU2R'U'RUR'F' and think it is fairly fast

LoL fail
That was the 2 opposite colors,
I use
R'F2RU2RU2R'F2U'RU'R'
and its inverse

for those cases
 
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