WCA Announcement on BLD

[Hadley4000]

I think we should also blame the WCA making such cheating possible.

Bull****. The WCA didn't do anything wrong. It was solely the competitor. If someone beats you up with a baseball bat, do you sue the baseball bat manufacturer?

In the USA, you might.

Very true. The land of lawsuits.

 

[MarcusStuhr]

There's really not a whole lot to say about this subject anymore. It's nobody's fault but the competitor's. He cheated, and the evidence is overwhelming, and some of it even indicative. I can only imagine how embarrassed the guy must feel right now, but really, it's an essential lesson.

I had another post I thought I made but I don't see it anywhere -- blaming the WCA for the competitor's cheating is like blaming McDonald's for that woman who burned herself with their coffee a few years back. If you fail to follow common sense, you will get burned. Cheating is obviously bad -- if you get caught doing it, expect consequences.

The positive side to all this, at least, is that hopefully this outcome will serve as a deterrent to anyone else trying to cheat the system.

 

[Dene]

I think we should also blame the WCA making such cheating possible.

Bull****. The WCA didn't do anything wrong. It was solely the competitor. If someone beats you up with a baseball bat, do you sue the baseball bat manufacturer?

In the USA, you might.

LMAO, well done Mr. Hughey, this is classic, and so very true .

Blue, did you read anything that has been written about this incidence? Apparently not. You're the kind of guy who'd also enter the speedcubing community and suggest to solve the F2L corners and edges in pairs. A know-it-all without a clue.

You are so mean . He does have a point, the only evidence we have of his cheating is extremely conspicuous solves that have been reconstructed. This, coupled with any lack of defense, is enough to assume guilt, but there is no actual proof that he looked under the blindfold, (by this I mean 100% proof, either a confession or photo/video evidence of his eyes open under the blindfold looking down).

 

[Stefan]

Dene, what are you talking about? The Blue guy asked whether anybody ever thought about X being innocent. And the answer to that is incredibly obvious if he just looks at the threads about it. No need to pretty much suggest that we're all bastards and idiots never giving X the benefit of doubt. I do feel insulted by that.

Also, notice he registered at this forum *today*. And talks about a "we" in past tense. And he hides behind a fake name. That guy and his post are among the most annoying and presumptuous I've ever seen. Hence I'm ****ed off.

blaming the WCA for the competitor's cheating is like blaming McDonald's for that woman who burned herself with their coffee a few years back. If you fail to follow common sense, you will get burned.

I disagree with that comparison, as I believe McDonald's actively did something wrong, namely using unnecessarily hot coffee. Also, the story has been distorted on the web to make it appear more frivolous (people just love to tell sensational stories, who cares about the truth if you get attention?). Here's an account of it by a respectable organization:
http://www.caoc.com/CA/index.cfm?event=showPage&pg=facts

 

[MarcusStuhr]

Thanks for the link Stefan -- had no idea that McDonalds had actually jacked up the coffee temperature to that extent.

 

[Blue Transaparent]

Blue, did you read anything that has been written about this incidence? Apparently not. You're the kind of guy who'd also enter the speedcubing community and suggest to solve the F2L corners and edges in pairs. A know-it-all without a clue.

Your right Stefan, all i know about this incident are stuff i only heard from fellow cubers, im only suggesting that the guy might have "special mental abiltiy" that enables him to do such feat, well apparently not.

One such person can "remember" stuff he did at any given date. I was hoping the guy would be something like that, guess i'm wrong to assume that. Come to think of it, being at that age, the temptation to prove being the best at something (at the cost of cheating) is not that unusual, it kinda reminds me of the movie Shattered Glass.

 

[Hadley4000]

I just hope he confesses. Maybe that will calm everyone here down.

 

[Dene]

Ah I see what you mean now, Mr. Pochmann (although your post wasn't the easiest to read). And of course you're right, as Mr Eide would gladly point out, in that we did give Krazy K the benefit of the doubt for a very long time.

 

[KConny]

Blue, did you read anything that has been written about this incidence? Apparently not. You're the kind of guy who'd also enter the speedcubing community and suggest to solve the F2L corners and edges in pairs. A know-it-all without a clue.

Your right Stefan, all i know about this incident are stuff i only heard from fellow cubers, im only suggesting that the guy might have "special mental abiltiy" that enables him to do such feat, well apparently not.
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Quoting Stefan and use words like "special mental ability", "gift" or "talent" is an action you should think twice about doing. Especially when he's ****ed of at you for bringing old stuff to the table.

 

[Tim Reynolds]

In some defense of Blue, the topic "---- is a CHEATER!!!" was deleted/moved. So Blue might not have seen all the posts there, particularly those in which Joel gave the reconstruction of a solve and those in which the topic of "special mental ability" was discussed. I'm not saying that Blue is justified in his assumption that we didn't give "Krazy K" the benefit of the doubt, but there's some explanation at least for the fact that he doesn't know all of the evidence against "Krazy K"

 

[Derrick Eide17]

Ah I see what you mean now, Mr. Pochmann (although your post wasn't the easiest to read). And of course you're right, as Mr Eide would gladly point out, in that we did give Krazy K the benefit of the doubt for a very long time.

so.. is this an insult to me? or a compliment? or neither?

 

[AvGalen]

[Removed name myself], I want to claim the fame, price money, medal, etc that you got at the Czech Open 2007. I am now the real winner of that multi-blind event:

http://www.worldcubeassociation.org...mpetitionId=CzechOpen2007&allResults=1#333mbf

Rubik's Cube: Multiple Blindfolded Final Best of 2PlacePersonBest Citizen ofResult Details
1Arnaud van Galen2 26:20NR Netherlands2 26:20 DNS
2Erik Akkersdijk2/3 23:51 Netherlands0/2 14:09 2/3 23:51
3István Kocza2/4 58:00 Hungary2/4 58:00 DNS
4Gilles van den Peereboom1/2 15:42 Belgium1/2 15:42 DNS
5Ton Dennenbroek0/2 22:20 Netherlands0/2 22:20 0/2 ?:??:??
6[name removed]0/5 9:31 Hungary0/5 9:31 DNS

P.S. Don't take this to seriously. I don't consider myself to be a good blindfolder at all. Actually, I have won 3 events so far and those were all events I consider myself to be "relative bad" at (2x2x2 and magic are the other ones)

 

[Stefan]

In some defense of Blue, the topic "---- is a CHEATER!!!" was deleted/moved. So Blue might not have seen all the posts there

Johannes linked to that thread in *this* thread. Also in *this* thread, I described how I actively tried to help X prove his innocence. Plus, even if he hadn't read anything of that, that's actually the perfect reason to keep his mouth shut instead of insulting us speculating about us not giving the benefit of doubt.

In my personal opinion, I don't want to see him again. Ever.

it can seriously damage this teenager's life

I don't care.

I changed my mind. Or rather, my mind has changed. However, I don't "take back" what I said there, as it was a sincere expression of my feelings. I was very enraged, now I've calmed down somewhat. Might have to do with me saying the above, I think I just had to let the anger out. So now I'd like to see him back, though after the WCA's ban which I fully endorse. Also, I personally feel a need for closure, so for welcoming him back I'd need him to acknowledge what he did and explain why he did it and show remorse. This is my personal stance, but I think I should post it because I made my earlier feelings public, too.

 

[adragast]

To Stephan: I am really happy that your mind has changed, I thought your words were a bit too extreme.
I consider the way you were counting the "number of chance to do the right thing" really wrong. We are not dealing with mathematics here but with psychology. Are you really expecting someone to say "No sorry, I lied and I cheated" as soon as we have some doubts about him ? Maybe you cannot understand such kind of things because you would never have lied at first but it is difficult to admit such kind of things (cheating/lying).
Finally, when you said that it was an insult to our integrity and intelligence, you may have been a bit too far. It was neither his intention nor his aim, and he knows anyway that we now know the truth.
Concerning the "why he did it", it may be too personal to be announced publicly. Maybe he just needed friends, he just wanted to be someone or just wanted his parents to be proud of him...
I agree with you about the baseball thing. If there is a theft, the one who should be on the accused side should be the thief not the guy who has been stolen, ie WCA is not responsible for that. It is responsible to take the appropriate actions (change the rule, ban the cheater, ...) and it did do it.

To Blue: Sorry for you, I think you missed the biggest part of the debate. Let's say to simplify it that Stephan and I were more or less the first and the last people to defend the accused person. We disagreed with Mr Eide about the proof nature of the facts he was bringing (I still consider that he was wrong to be so sure about this from the beginning and to accuse us of being stupid not to believe him). But at the final end of the debate, Joël managed to find a very clear fact showing that the accused person was cheating. Until that point, I wanted to believe as you believe it now, that the accused person was using an incredible method.

 

[guusrs]

I changed my mind. Or rather, my mind has changed. However, I don't "take back" what I said there, as it was a sincere expression of my feelings. I was very enraged, now I've calmed down somewhat. Might have to do with me saying the above, I think I just had to let the anger out. So now I'd like to see him back, though after the WCA's ban which I fully endorse. Also, I personally feel a need for closure, so for welcoming him back I'd need him to acknowledge what he did and explain why he did it and show remorse. This is my personal stance, but I think I should post it because I made my earlier feelings public, too.

Stefan,
Respect for you and your mind Stefan. On this topic we disagreed many times but our minds converge. I agree confronting him with what he did will be a good thing to do.
Gus

 

[Blue Transaparent]

To Adragast: Now I understand where that anger was coming from.... I apologize for my ignorance, and i wasnt insinuating anything nor insulting anyone its just like what you said, I missed the biggest part of the debate. thanks

to Stefan: Point taken.

 

[guusrs]

To Adragast: Now I understand where that anger was coming from.... I apologize for my ignorance, and i wasnt insinuating anything nor insulting anyone its just like what you said, I missed the biggest part of the debate. thanks

to Stefan: Point taken.

Mister Blue, you are new to this forum, only to post messages on this BLD topic. What is your real name?
Gus

 

[Blue Transaparent]

My name mister Gus is Patrick Escudero, Very pleased to meet your acquaintance.

 

[guusrs]

My name mister Gus is Patrick Escudero, Very pleased to meet your acquaintance.

Nice to meet you mister Escudero. But why is your name no-where on the internet linked to Rubik's cube? What is your relation, experience, knowledge on solving this puzzle or BLD solving?
Gus

 

[Dene]

In some defense of Blue, the topic "---- is a CHEATER!!!" was deleted/moved. So Blue might not have seen all the posts there

Johannes linked to that thread in *this* thread.

The link doesn't work. Or at least, it says something like "you don't have access to this thread". I assume some people can still see it, but most of us can't.

At Mr. van Galen: Yea, go for it! Get your medal back!