The method debate thread

[Nir1213]

I don't think that you understand what I'm saying
Roux isn't good as a METHOD for big cubes. That doesn't mean that people cant get fast with it. That's like comparing CFOP to DR and saying CFOP is bad, because comparing it to DR, it is. Roux, as a method, isn't AS good as CFOP, ZZ, or Petrus, but that doesn't mean you can't get good times with it. It just means you could get better times using something else.

It is a worse version of Yau made for Roux.

yea i guess its not the best for big cubes. If only m slices were easier on big cubes. Its still good tho.

 

[Owen Morrison]

And about 90% of the top 100 are CFOP users

Way more than that if you are talking about 5x5.

 

[Nir1213]

Way more than that if you are talking about 5x5.

man, all cfop.

1 percent other?

 

[Kaneki Uchiha]

It is a worse version of Yau made for Roux.

meyer was made first. So yau is a better meyer for cfop

 

[PapaSmurf]

Top 3 methods

CFOP
ZB
Roux

CFOP can easily go 10+TPS
ZB is CFOP but you only get a cross case for OLL allowing for 1LLL reducig the alg number from 3916 to 493. This happens EVERY solve using ZB.
Roux has under 50 moves on average. Its pretty good.

ZZ exists. https://www.speedsolving.com/threads/the-method-debate-thread.76665/post-1372453

 

[DNF_Cuber]

ZZ, I think is kinda bad for 2h cause it is cfop with useless EO. For OH though, ZZ is probably better than cfop and easier to master than roux, but not as good as roux in the long run. I use ZZ for OH and I can get close to my 3x3 tps on RB and LB.

 

[PapaSmurf]

EO is not useless. You use fewer moves (50-55 instead of 55-60), you don't rotate, you don't have the worst F2L cases etc. If you haven't, read the linked post in my previous post.

 

[Nir1213]

ZZ, I think is kinda bad for 2h cause it is cfop with useless EO. For OH though, ZZ is probably better than cfop and easier to master than roux, but not as good as roux in the long run. I use ZZ for OH and I can get close to my 3x3 tps on RB and LB.

hmm which is better: Roux or ZZ?

also theoretically in the speedsolving wiki, it says that a person who knows full ZB could theoretically be faster than a CFOP solver because the movecount is lower. Is that really true?

 

[DNF_Cuber]

Roux for 2h and oh. I think zz is better for oh and the same for 2h as CFOP, though

also theoretically in the speedsolving wiki, it says that a person who knows full ZB could theoretically be faster than a CFOP solver because the movecount is lower. Is that really true?

If they have the same recognition time as the CFOP solver yes

 

[Kaneki Uchiha]

hmm which is better: Roux or ZZ?

Roux

 

[PapaSmurf]

For OH, Roux. For TH, equal.

 

[Nir1213]

Roux

oh sorry i meant OH, but 2H was noice to know i guess.

For OH, Roux. For TH, equal.

i thought ZZ and Roux might be tied for OH but ok, but for TH i thought roux was going to be a biiitt better imo.

 

[Deleted member 54663]

It is quite useful to know different methods. I know cfop and roux(better with cfop), and If I mess up something like an h perm, I can fix it with roux. Also, switching up methods is quite fun sometimes.

 

[LukasCubes]

ZZ exists. https://www.speedsolving.com/threads/the-method-debate-thread.76665/post-1372453

I know it exists but i like ZB CFOP and Roux much better and I am faster with the methods tha ZZ

 

[Kaneki Uchiha]

oh sorry i meant OH, but 2H was noice to know i guess.


i thought ZZ and Roux might be tied for OH but ok, but for TH i thought roux was going to be a biiitt better imo.

I meant oh roux is easily the best because rRUM is such a god moveset

 

[PapaSmurf]

I know it exists but i like ZB CFOP and Roux much better and I am faster with the methods tha ZZ

I mean I'm much faster with ZZ than the others. It all depends on what you've practiced, so if we're talking objectively, you can't judge it purely off a subjective experience of 1 person.

 

[DNF_Cuber]

Isn't the wr single basically with ZZ? I know cfop is his main method, but it was a EOxxcross(actually CPEOxxcross ) he built, effectively reducing it to RU gen. Is it known if he intentionally oriented all edges?

 

[BenChristman1]

Isn't the wr single basically with ZZ? I know cfop is his main method, but it was a EOxxcross(actually CPEOxxcross ) he built, effectively reducing it to RU gen. Is it known if he intentionally oriented all edges?

You could also make an argument that it’s Petrus. (I would assume) he meant to do CFOP, it just turned out how it did.

 

[LukasCubes]

You could also make an argument that it’s Petrus. (I would assume) he meant to do CFOP, it just turned out how it did.

Isn't the wr single basically with ZZ? I know cfop is his main method, but it was a EOxxcross(actually CPEOxxcross ) he built, effectively reducing it to RU gen. Is it known if he intentionally oriented all edges?

WHAT DA SCRAMBLE!?

 

[BenChristman1]

WHAT DA SCRAMBLE!?

Look it up, I don’t have it readily available.