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The method debate thread

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The amount of time it takes you to get to some speed doesn't really show how much you improve, it's more how many solves it takes to reach a speed. For example, I've gotten to around 15 seconds in 9 months(starting from when I first learned to solve the cube), but it took about 1.5k solves(including my ZZ & OH solves, not just my CFOP solves)



To be fair, that scramble was stupid. Although it did take some skill, it was a pretty obvious cross+2, and then a free pair into PLL skip.
Only ~1.5k solves INCLUDING OH is REALLY impressive.
 

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The reason is that @ProStar learned how to be efficient during F2L early so really all he needs to do is solves and some lookahead practice and sub 10 shouldn't be very hard for him.
Also there are a lot of good tutorials nowadays, and when the overall times are faster people tend to progress a lot faster because they don't have any mental barriers like "being sub 10 is impossible because nobody is sub 10". New cubers have it easier and easier and that's a good thing. I'm not saying that what he did is not impressive because it is, don't get me wrong.
 

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I just wanted to point out that 1.5k is an extremely low amount of solves for 9 months, he probably is off by a couple 1000 solves
CFOP Session - 1,180 solves
ZZ Session - 222 solves
OH Session - 83 solves
ZZ OH Session - 146 solves
Previous 3x3 sessions - 300ish solves

I used Ruwix timer back from when I started to around 25ish seconds. the most I ever had in one session was around 120, the rest never had more than 20, and based on the time it took, I can make a good estimate that I never did more than 300 solves using Ruwix


Ok so I guess I was off, it was a rough estimate before. A better number(including ZZ and OH) would be 2k at most
 
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CFOP Session - 1,180 solves
ZZ Session - 222 solves
OH Session - 83 solves
ZZ OH Session - 146 solves
Previous 3x3 sessions - 300ish solves

I used Ruwix timer back from when I started to around 25ish seconds. the most I ever had in one session was around 120, the rest never had more than 20, and based on the time it took, I can make a good estimate that I never did more than 300 solves using Ruwix


Ok so I guess I was off, it was a rough estimate before. A better number(including ZZ and OH) would be 2k at most
Ok. Then you hardly did any 3x3 or OH in your cubing career, <10 solves a day.
 
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You can be good at multiple methods in fact I think its much to be as it gives you a better understanding of the cube and some skills carry over.

one day I want to be sub 20 with every method that someone uses.
 

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You can be good at multiple methods in fact I think its much to be as it gives you a better understanding of the cube and some skills carry over.

one day I want to be sub 20 with every method that someone uses.
Sounds like you want to be a lame version of Tao Yu
 

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Cfop has a high move count in the wiki because it asumes that the solver uses cross, f2l, oll and pll.

You can lower the number if you do xcross, multi slotting, keyhole and some advanced LSLL.
if you use that argument it applies to every method as well. also on cubesolves feliks 5.91 ao5 movecounts: 63, 56, 57, 49, 58
 

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U2 L F2 D' F2 D' F2 R2 U2 B2 L2 U R2 D' L' B U' L R2 F' L'

Just for the memes, here's a 43 move "cfop" solution, I couldn't find an alg for that 1LLL case.

U R B L F2 // Xcross
U L' U' L U' L' U L // 2nd pair
R U R' U R' U2 R2 U' R' // 3rd+4th pair
E M2 E' M2 // fix centers
y' r U' r' U' r U r' y' R' U R // OLL
M2' U M2' U2 M2' U M2' // PLL
x' M2 F U' F U' F 6/6
U2 R2 U r U r' U r U' R' u' M2 u 13/19
y' F R U R' U' R U R' U' F' y 10/29
M2 U' M' U2 M' U' M2 U2 M U2 M 11/40
 
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sorry for my stupid arguments yesterday, clearly I've overlooked HK too much. that doesn't mean HK isn't a decent method, you definitely can get fast times with it, I'm sticking to CFOP, but still going to occasionally use HK for fun :)
Would you rather be kicked out of the HK discord server, be banned, or given the disgrace role ;)
 

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sorry for my stupid arguments yesterday, clearly I've overlooked HK too much. that doesn't mean HK isn't a decent method, you definitely can get fast times with it, I'm sticking to CFOP, but still going to occasionally use HK for fun :)
Sorry for being a little bit too harsh when arguing.
 
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