[Help Thread] Roux Discussion and Help

[Berd]

How many cases are there for EO+ULUR? Would it be worth it?

I think it would become mostly intuition, however when talking to Alex Lau, he said he basically did, some using non (U,M) moves.

 

[2180161]

I think it would become mostly intuition, however when talking to Alex Lau, he said he basically did, some using non (U,M) moves.

but how many cases though?

 

[shadowslice e]

but how many cases though?

480 or 240 without mirrors I think though I may be wrong.

 

[2180161]

480 or 240 without mirrors I think though I may be wrong.

Is symmetry included?

 

[dominugget]

Is symmetry included?

Mirrors is what your thinking of, if you mean flipping the alg to the other side.


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[2180161]

Mirrors is what your thinking of, if you mean flipping the alg to the other side.


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Yep. I've only ever called it symmetry.

 

[LostGent]

I've started solving using Roux, I have the basic concepts down now. I was just wondering if it was possible to do edge orientation and corner orientation in one algorithm, and if anyone has had a go at making up a spreadsheet for them?

 

[Berd]

I've started solving using Roux, I have the basic concepts down now. I was just wondering if it was possible to do edge orientation and corner orientation in one algorithm, and if anyone has had a go at making up a spreadsheet for them?

If you made sure to have 2 oriented edges on the bottom, it would be OLLCP which is 300 or so algs.

 

[LostGent]

what I'm looking to do is orient the edges correctly (not worrying about permutation yet) but orienting and permuting corners too. Sorry I may not be explaining myself very well :/

 

[dominugget]

what I'm looking to do is orient the edges correctly (not worrying about permutation yet) but orienting and permuting corners too. Sorry I may not be explaining myself very well :/

Yeah that is OLLCP, you would just have to have two oriented edges on the bottom.

You could just learn one set per case and permute corners separately.


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[GuRoux]

what I'm looking to do is orient the edges correctly (not worrying about permutation yet) but orienting and permuting corners too. Sorry I may not be explaining myself very well :/

i think it would be way too many algs, like around 1200. and it's not that good if you don't know where UL/UR is.

 

[5BLD]

If you made sure to have 2 oriented edges on the bottom, it would be OLLCP which is 300 or so algs.

I reckon this is the next step for Roux. Learning all the algs was too much for me unfortunately

 

[shadowslice e]

I reckon this is the next step for Roux. Learning all the algs was too much for me unfortunately

I reckon forcing 4-flips (arrows) would be a better step than EO skip cause you can see UL/UR more easily most of the time and there's far fewer algs.

Of course, if you fix CP first,you could do LS+CMLL+4-flip in only a few algs (relatively- its actually about 54 I think but the CP-first needs to be refined). Maybe attempt number 3 will be better.

 

[dominugget]

I reckon forcing 4-flips (arrows) would be a better step than EO skip cause you can see UL/UR more easily most of the time and there's far fewer algs.

It's potentially 5 extra moves with a four flip.

EDIT: it'll add 5 extra moves.


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[shadowslice e]

It's potentially 5 extra moves with a four flip.

EDIT: it'll add 5 extra moves.


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Not necessarily cause you can combine UL/UR with the 4-flip and the pause for recog will likely be less. It also reduces alg count by 200+ and all the algs can be transfered so it could be used as an intermediary step.

 

[dominugget]

Not necessarily cause you can combine UL/UR with the 4-flip and the pause for recog will likely be less. It also reduces alg count by 200+ and all the algs can be transfered so it could be used as an intermediary step.

I was talking about the moves for the 4-flip, but the recog would probably take more than 4 moves. You're right.


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[PenguinsDontFly]

I reckon this is the next step for Roux. Learning all the algs was too much for me unfortunately

learning 300 algs isnt that hard....(i probably know like 200 corners algs....) the hard part is guaranteeing 2 oriented on bottom...

 

[5BLD]

It's not hard to force bottom oriented during second block. The way I was doing it was with ULUR on bottom too, which actually could be really good

 

[shadowslice e]

It's not hard to force bottom oriented during second block. The way I was doing it was with ULUR on bottom too, which actually could be really good

It feels nice but is it that much more efficient?

It also feels like a left to right Freefop thing or maybe petrusish thing. Not that it's bad but I feel it sort of loses what roux is.

Of course, I am open this expansion though.

 

[muchacho]

Wouldn't be enough to know COLL plus those algs that orient 2 diagonal/opposite edges and 4 edges on top (without affecting the bottom ones)? Would those be 168 cases or something like that?