Random Cubing Discussion

ottozing said:
Odder was at the comp and told me it was legit. His overall PB was an 11, but he got like an easy XXcross or something and then sexysledge into PLL skip. I think that's what happened anyway.
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I thought that's what he was told at the comp, not that he actually witnessed it. Similarly with how the 4.41 was "XXXcross OLL skip J-perm"
 
Tim Major said:
I thought that's what he was told at the comp, not that he actually witnessed it. Similarly with how the 4.41 was "XXXcross OLL skip J-perm"
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Not that similar imo.

Firstly, a high 7 with a much luckier LL by a guy hovering around sub 20 seems way more plausible than a mid 4 by a similar person. Secondly, the competition itself wasn't prone to something as problematic as this like Perry Open was from what I can tell. This meaning faking a high 7 probably wasn't as easy as putting up a scrambled cube that you memorized an easy solution to (It's noteworthy that the 7 was the last solve of his average).

Basically, this guy getting a legit 7 seems more likely than him slipping a fake 7 through a well run competition.
 
ottozing said:
Not that similar imo.

Firstly, a high 7 with a much luckier LL by a guy hovering around sub 20 seems way more plausible than a mid 4 by a similar person. Secondly, the competition itself wasn't prone to something as problematic as this like Perry Open was from what I can tell. This meaning faking a high 7 probably wasn't as easy as putting up a scrambled cube that you memorized an easy solution to (It's noteworthy that the 7 was the last solve of his average).

Basically, this guy getting a legit 7 seems more likely than him slipping a fake 7 through a well run competition.
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There are definitely ways to cheat even very well organised competitions, but yes I realise the situations are a little different. At the end of the day, it's impossible to prove either way and the benefit of the doubt has to go to the competitor. For example, maybe he switched cubes after his 4th solve, the one he gave was half-scrambled, when it got to the scramble table, some runner assumed it was scrambled and took it to a table.

Anyway, the guy who asked about it got a couple of answers at least, everything I've said is pure speculation, I just don't see a 18 second solver getting an official 7 in an event like 3x3.
 
Tim Major said:
There are definitely ways to cheat even very well organised competitions, but yes I realise the situations are a little different. At the end of the day, it's impossible to prove either way and the benefit of the doubt has to go to the competitor. For example, maybe he switched cubes after his 4th solve, the one he gave was half-scrambled, when it got to the scramble table, some runner assumed it was scrambled and took it to a table.

Anyway, the guy who asked about it got a couple of answers at least, everything I've said is pure speculation, I just don't see a 18 second solver getting an official 7 in an event like 3x3.
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The thing is, the fact that it stayed as the NR of a relatively developed and prominent country (cubing wise) means that it is probably legit, because people (much like us) would probably have done an investigation on that solve, and they would have found that it was fake if he cheated.
 
Isaac Lai said:
The thing is, the fact that it stayed as the NR of a relatively developed and prominent country (cubing wise) means that it is probably legit, because people (much like us) would probably have done an investigation on that solve, and they would have found that it was fake if he cheated.
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But if there's no video or reliable witnesses, there's no way they could prove it was fake. If they tried investigating by showing him the scramble, all he would have to do (hypothetically, if he did cheat) would be to say 'nup can't remember my solution' which would be perfectly acceptable.
 
Isaac Lai said:
I played around with the scramble and got two free pairs on yellow cross. Not sure if it means anything but it could(?) be rearranged to form a XXcross.
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I'm sure on either scramble there are nice solutions. But for an 18 second solver to get a 7 that had a double X-cross? It has to be a pretty obvious double X-cross, and the entire solve would have to be probably 30 moves at most.
 
cashis said:
Why can't we just trust the guy got a good solve?
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Yeah, there is always a chance to get lucky. I got a pretty amazing solve for me (at the time) during Lawrence Spring 2015 with a 15.03 average. The time was 11.90:

11.90 B2 F2 U2 R2 U L2 R2 B2 U F' U F' U2 B L2 R U2 F L U

y2 x
U' L D' L2 y2 x' L F' L' D'
R' U' R d L' U L
[R U R' U']2 R U R'
y R' U R
R U' R' U2 y' R' U' R
U2 l' U' L U l F' L' F
U y R U R' U' R' F R2 U' R' U' R U R' F'

And I got lucky, by doing something badly. The cross sucked, and the OLL was from a weird angle. But if I hadn't done those, it would have been a much higher time. I got a T perm, a free pair, and some easy F2L cases. People can get lucky.
 
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Robert-Y said:
Ok, I don't believe it now.

http://iwca.jp/competition/scrambles/competitionId/DanishOpen2014/eventId/333

Either the scramble is:

L' U' R' L U2 L B' D L' F L2 B' R2 F' D2 F' B' R2 L2
or
U' L2 U2 B2 U R2 B2 D' B2 U R2 F' L2 D' B D' B L' B2 U

Neither seem easy to get a 7 on for a 18 second solver.
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There was some discussion about this a while ago, closer to when it happened:
mycube said:
L' U' R' L U2 L B' D L' F L2 B' R2 F' D2 F' B' R2 L2.

but he can't reconstruct the solution.
after some minutes trying i found this solution with the descriped LL:
y2 R U D' L' B' D2 B
U F' R' F U F
R2 U R2
y U2 R U' R' U R U R'
R U R' U' R' F R F' U'
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That just doesn't feel like a speedsolve to me, seems like a nub FMC solution, and it also doesn't match his description (triple X-cross instead of double). The first 13 moves are so well thought out, but there's no way he saw that far ahead so I feel like those 13 moves would take 4-5 seconds minimum, leaving an 18 second solver 2-3 seconds to do 20 moves. If his solution exists I don't think it could be that one, it'd be more likely that his double X-cross was mostly luck, rather than planned out, because otherwise the TPS just wouldn't be there. I wonder what punishment, if any, he'd receive apart from the stripping of his record if he came now and admitted to cheating
 
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