Poll: What speedcubing method do you use?

[PenguinsDontFly]

The Roux score went up by 11 overnight while CFOP/ZZ went up by 4 between them, suggesting that some Roux fan told his friends to vote .

Nice try at guessing, but Roux fans have no friends

Spoiler

It was Kian (PDF) on FB... hope he doesn't ban me

I can't just sit back and watch the best method be the least popular.

 

[GuRoux]

I can't just sit back and watch the best method be the least popular.

you totally undermined the poll.

 

[genericcuber666]

I can't just sit back and watch the best method be the least popular.

what does this mean?

 

[DGCubes]

what does this mean?

He is incapable of having his weight supported by his buttocks while observing attentively that the most excellent, effective, or desirable procedure for accomplishing something is liked, admired, or enjoyed to the smallest extent or degree.

Thanks, Google.

 

[Matt11111]

He is incapable of having his weight supported by his buttocks while observing attentively that the most excellent, effective, or desirable procedure for accomplishing something is liked, admired, or enjoyed to the smallest extent or degree.

Thanks, Google.

Thesauruses for the win... Thesauri...? Both.

Thanks, Google.

 

[Sion]

PCMS boiiiii

 

[efattah]

I really get the feel that the actual percentage of speed cubers that use CFOP is around 99%. Honestly find me any recent competition that had even ONE Roux solver. At US nationals the final 16 had zero. This is nothing against the method it is obviously super fast (though possibly slower to master). At the time of writing this there are 442 people who have recorded official sub-10 averages on 3x3. How many of those are with Roux? I'd guess something between 10 and 30.

 

[shadowslice e]

I really get the feel that the actual percentage of speed cubers that use CFOP is around 99%. Honestly find me any recent competition that had even ONE Roux solver. At US nationals the final 16 had zero. This is nothing against the method it is obviously super fast (though possibly slower to master). At the time of writing this there are 442 people who have recorded official sub-10 averages on 3x3. How many of those are with Roux? I'd guess something between 10 and 30.

At this time the list is
Alexander Lau (7.37)
Kaijun Lin (8.40)
Kavin Tangtartharakul (8.79)
Kian Mansour (8.98)
Ryan Przybocki (9.06)
Vincent Wong (9.17)
Austin Moore (9.48)
Tomoya Yamashita (9.67)
Thom Barlow (9.97)
Though I would disagree with your assessment that is takes longer to get faster with roux as insofar as I'm aware rouxers tend to progress faster though the sheer number of CFOPers means that they have a distinct advantage for number of sub-x.

 

[PenguinsDontFly]

At this time the list is
Alexander Lau (7.37)
Kaijun Lin (8.40)
Kavin Tangtartharakul (8.79)
Kian Mansour (8.98)
Ryan Przybocki (9.06)
Vincent Wong (9.17)
Austin Moore (9.48)
Tomoya Yamashita (9.67)
Thom Barlow (9.97)
Though I would disagree with your assessment that is takes longer to get faster with roux as insofar as I'm aware rouxers tend to progress faster though the sheer number of CFOPers means that they have a distinct advantage for number of sub-x.

Roux advancement is fast because of the intuitive nature of the method. 3/4 steps are intuitive, and intuitive steps are easier to improve on than algorithmic steps when youre starting out. The "number of sub-x" argument is the hardest one, but the numbers get very very close when you look at the elites.

 

[AlphaSheep]

Beginners choose CFOP because it's undeniably the method the vast majority of fast people use. The fast people stick with CFOP because they've invested a lot of effort into it and don't want that effort to go to waste. It's a self-sustaining cycle, and it's going to take something major to break it - a Roux user at #2 in the world apparently wasn't even enough.

 

[sqAree]

Beginners choose CFOP because it's undeniably the method the vast majority of fast people use. The fast people stick with CFOP because they've invested a lot of effort into it and don't want that effort to go to waste. It's a self-sustaining cycle, and it's going to take something major to break it - a Roux user at #2 in the world apparently wasn't even enough.

Maybe there are just more people that just like CFOP more (for example I).

 

[GenTheSnail]

a Roux user at #2 in the world apparently wasn't even enough.

nor a OH ZZ user at #2 either.
I think its also that there are hardly any resources, at least compared to CFOP, about ZZ or Roux. When you search up solving faster, CFOP dominates.

 

[CornerCutter]

I really get the feel that the actual percentage of speed cubers that use CFOP is around 99%. Honestly find me any recent competition that had even ONE Roux solver. At US nationals the final 16 had zero. This is nothing against the method it is obviously super fast (though possibly slower to master). At the time of writing this there are 442 people who have recorded official sub-10 averages on 3x3. How many of those are with Roux? I'd guess something between 10 and 30.

I would tend to agree with you.

Maybe there are just more people that just like CFOP more (for example I).

I think so too.

 

[GuRoux]

people got to stop with the resources stuff. pretty much all you need for roux is CMLL, and that's easy to find. and there has been threads from way back when that discuss most of the advance techniques. now there are even videos for those techniques and hundreds of example solves from elite roux users. i don't think people choose not to do roux or zz because of lack of resources. i certainly didn't even consider it. more like people don't choose roux because of popularity or too much invested time in cfop.

 

[GenTheSnail]

Honestly find me any recent competition that had even ONE Roux solver.

Dixon Fall 2016 had TWO Roux solvers. @Knut Peterson and Kevin Gee.
There may have been more, I only judged Knut and recognized his LSE, and Kevin is my brother.

people got to stop with the resources stuff. pretty much all you need for roux is CMLL, and that's easy to find. and there has been threads from way back when that discuss most of the advance techniques. now there are even videos for those techniques and hundreds of example solves from elite roux users. i don't think people choose not to do roux or zz because of lack of resources. i certainly didn't even consider it. more like people don't choose roux because of popularity or too much invested time in cfop.

I'm not saying that there aren't enough Roux resources, I was just saying, that when you are starting out and have no idea where too look, there is a greater chance of finding CFOP resources than ZZ or Roux resources.
Sure, if you know what to look for it isn't hard to find, but if not, then you just go with what comes first which will most likely be CFOP stuff.
And then, after spending some time getting faster at CFOP, people wont want to switch methods.

 

[Umm Roux?]

people got to stop with the resources stuff. pretty much all you need for roux is CMLL, and that's easy to find. and there has been threads from way back when that discuss most of the advance techniques. now there are even videos for those techniques and hundreds of example solves from elite roux users. i don't think people choose not to do roux or zz because of lack of resources. i certainly didn't even consider it. more like people don't choose roux because of popularity or too much invested time in cfop.

It is pretty hard to find Roux until it's too late. When I started cubing, I thought just wanted to be able to solve a cube, until I got caught between an argument between a CFOPer and a Rouxer. I chose Roux only because my friend said it looked sexy. Unless by influence of a fellow rouxer(a rarity), a newcomer is most likely going to go LBL-->CFOP.

 

[SAI Peregrinus]

I started cubing back in 2001 when I was in high-school. Got sub-30 with CFOP, but lost interest/moved on. I've been playing around with abstract algebra and decided to get a new cube about 2 weeks ago. I've forgotten almost everything from before, so I decided to learn Roux for speed and Heise for understanding/challenge. I'm at about a minute right now with Roux, with 2-look CMLL and cycling to orient L6E.

So I found CFOP and Petrus first, but there wasn't much info on Petrus (Fridrich's page on CFOP was one of the few sites with comprehensive info at the time) and ZZ/Roux/Heise/etc hadn't been invented yet. Coming back I see that significant progress has been made in speed solving. I chose Roux this time around because of the low move counts / high intuitive aspects mostly, it seems likely to be a rather optimal method. The low algorithm count makes it easier to learn as a (mostly) beginner: I have enough experience to solve without algorithms and don't really want to spend tons of time on memorization. While move counts aren't directly proportional to speed they are related, so that's another point in its favor. And I've always rather liked slice moves, so Roux it is!

 

[SSforlife]

What method do you find more efficient and fast for a 3x3?

 

[FJT97]

I use zz. And I think waterroux has great potential.
If you want to find a method that fits for you, look in many different ones, not just cfop or roux.

 

[AlphaSheep]

Years ago I read the beginners guide to choosing a speed solving method. I tried them all and chose ZZ as my main method. I have no regrets.