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Poll: What speedcubing method do you use?

What speedsolving method do you use for 3x3?


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SSforlife

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Thanks for the advice,
think i will experiment with different methods because I have just started cubing about a week ago, and with learning beginner CFOP (F2L, and 2 look OLL and Pll) I have been wanting to improve my times without having to learn 60+ algorithms. I will try ZZ and see how it goes, and I will give a bit more than a week to test it out (unlike with CFOP).
 

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You are doing very well with cfop though, F2L and 4lll in a week is very fast if you kept it up you could be fast quickly, most people I find use something like youcandothecube.com and don't learn much more for a long time.
But if you learn full pll now and don't switch then you could be fast quickly, you must be good at learning algs as 4lll is 15
 

LexCubing

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ZB is just a CFOP variant that just groups the steps differently. Normally you do C, F, O, P but with ZB you do C, (F+½O), (½O+P). ZZ is quite different.
ZB is not a method by itself just like CT. You don't need to do CFOP, as long you can make F2L-1 you can use ZB. CT can be used if EO is solved which means Petrus can use this too.
 

LexCubing

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Try flooding Youtube with a BUNCH of Roux/ZZ/Petrus/etc. AND make it GOOD and easy to understand. CFOP has oversaturated the place. Sure there are resources but they get flooded by CFOP. I hope someone makes a good tutorial and how to advanced w/ ZZ. You can count how many walkthroughs are out there about ZZ. I hope someone can make a better or shorter tutorial for ZZ since it might sway others who are ****ton lazy. Also Problem Solved's videos SUCKED! Read this pal and take a good look at your ZZ "Progression Videos". I don't want to talk in detail since I'm tired typing all of this.

TL;DR Make more tutorials about other methods and Problem Solved's vid about ZZ is BS
 

crafto22

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Tell me again which method is consistently fast and overpowered? Oh right. Not one of those hippie methods like sleepy cat (ZZ-CT) but the mainstream one, which is mainstream for a reason. #MakeAmericaCFOPAgain
CFOP is actually not a good method. Best method is honestly probably ZZ-a. I use CFOP btw, almost sub-9. I still regret not learning something like Roux or ZZ.
 
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CFOP is actually not a good method. Best method is honestly probably ZZ-a. I use CFOP btw, almost sub-9. I still regret not learning something like Roux or ZZ.
says random person (random because doesn't have an official sub-8.71 single or an official sub-10.47 average, as that is the accepted definition of relevancy amirite?)

e: but yeah I agree that CFOP definitely isn't better than some other methods, but I don't think it's worse either.
 
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crafto22

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says random person (random because doesn't have an official sub-8.71 single or an official sub-10.47 average, as that is the accepted definition of relevancy amirite?)

e: but yeah I agree that CFOP definitely isn't better than some other methods, but I don't think it's worse either.
I unfortunately don't have the luxury of attending many comps. I don't do well in them cuz I'm not really that used to the pressure. I do have a 7.67 ao5 on cam though... Am I relevant yet? My point is comps aren't everything. And sure, I could claim I'm sub-2 on 3x3 and give no evidence because I've "never been to a comp", but I like to think most cubers (such as myself) have a little more integrity than that. anyway, since you're agreeing with me, why did you feel the need to boast your official PBs, exactly? I'm pretty sure that wasn't necessary. I'm going to further my point by giving some facts, since speed doesn't make anyone relevant.

CFOP averages like 60 moves. Feliks himself says he averages around 62 moves per solve. Roux is around 48 moves, and I believe Alex Lau usually got around 44 move solutions. However, Roux does have pretty crappy lookahead. The reason why I'm inclined to say ZZ-a is the best mainstream method is because it has a very low move count, around 44-ish, which beats both Roux and CFOP, and because ZZ has very good lookahead. The only reason CFOP dominates right now is because that's what all the top speedcubers have been practicing with for years. If someone took the time to learn and practice full ZBLL, and mastered ZZ in the same way CFOPers have "mastered" CFOP, that person would undoubtedly be faster.
 
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I unfortunately don't have the luxury of attending many comps. I don't do well in them cuz I'm not really that used to the pressure. I do have a 7.67 ao5 on cam though... Am I relevant yet? My point is comps aren't everything. And sure, I could claim I'm sub-2 on 3x3 and give no evidence because I've "never been to a comp", but I like to think most cubers (such as myself) have a little more integrity than that. anyway, since you're agreeing with me, why did you feel the need to boast your official PBs, exactly? I'm pretty sure that wasn't necessary. I'm going to further my point by giving some facts, since speed doesn't make anyone relevant.
Half of what I post on this site is trolling, it's my nature unfortunately

CFOP averages like 60 moves. Feliks himself says he averages around 62 moves per solve. Roux is around 48 moves, and I believe Alex Lau usually got around 44 move solutions. However, Roux does have pretty crappy lookahead. The reason why I'm inclined to say ZZ-a is the best mainstream method is because it has a very low move count, around 44-ish, which beats both Roux and CFOP, and because ZZ has very good lookahead. The only reason CFOP dominates right now is because that's what all the top speedcubers have been practicing with for years. If someone took the time to learn and practice full ZBLL, and mastered ZZ in the same way CFOPers have "mastered" CFOP, that person would undoubtedly be faster.
It honestly depends on what you consider the downsides of a method. Theoretically, the best method would be memorizing every possible configuration and learning an algorithm to solve it, but that's 4.3e19 algorithms (minus mirrors and rotations and stuff), which is clearly a downside; in a less unrealistic example, some people would consider learning 400 (?? I forgot how many) algorithms for ZBLL a downside, but once you learn that, of course that gives you a potential advantage over someone with the same experience who only knows 78 algorithms plus a few tricks.
 

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Half of what I post on this site is trolling, it's my nature unfortunately


It honestly depends on what you consider the downsides of a method. Theoretically, the best method would be memorizing every possible configuration and learning an algorithm to solve it, but that's 4.3e19 algorithms (minus mirrors and rotations and stuff), which is clearly a downside; in a less unrealistic example, some people would consider learning 400 (?? I forgot how many) algorithms for ZBLL a downside, but once you learn that, of course that gives you a potential advantage over someone with the same experience who only knows 78 algorithms plus a few tricks.
Exactly. ZZ-a is technically the best method, but I wouldn't call it the most approachable. However, I still strongly believe CFOP is a bad method in comparison to newer methods being developed. I myself am a method developer, and from what I've seen so far the "ultimate" method is probably LMCF. WaterRoux, a method I co-created, has lots of potential too, but as it is currently in development I can't say much about it. I recommend everyone goes and checks out LMCF though, there's a really nice document available that outlines the steps and algs and yadda yadda.
 
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