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If they're different, then ZZ-Vanilla and ZZ-VH are different methods.
ZZ-VH does OLL->PLL, except it forces an easy PLL. CFCE doesn't do OLL->PLL structure but instead it does Corners->Edges, which is totally different
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If they're different, then ZZ-Vanilla and ZZ-VH are different methods.
It really is. It's just changing some algs around, not nearly as different as ZZ and LEOR.Also CFCE is not a CFOP variant. If it is then LEOR is ZZ
It really is. It's just changing some algs around, not nearly as different as ZZ and LEOR.
We call pretty much all different ZZ last layer / last slot variations a variation of ZZ, whether you use COLL>EPLL, OCLL>PLL, ZBLL, or any other method, yet we don't call them a completely different method because they aren't.LEOR just changes the order of two steps, CFCE completely changes the final two
We call pretty much all different ZZ last layer / last slot variations a variation of ZZ, whether you use COLL>EPLL, OCLL>PLL, ZBLL, or any other method, yet we don't call them a completely different method because they aren't.
Yes and things like Phasing, which is much more creative and different than CFCE's LL, are called to just be a variation of ZZ, but doing corners and then edges instead of OLL PLL merits it's own method. Nah.They aren't a new method because it's just a variation of LS->OLL->PLL. ZBLL does both OLL and PLL at once, COLL-EPLL does OLL while forcing an easy PLL. WV/SV-PLL does LS while doing OLL then does PLL.
CFCE doesn't do a variation of OLL->PLL but does an entirely different LL method
Yes and things like Phasing, which is much more creative and different than CFCE's LL, are called to just be a variation of ZZ, but doing corners and then edges instead of OLL PLL merits it's own method. Nah.
It is subjective, yes, but I think most people would agree that Phasing is more interesting than corners>edges for LL. I mean, I thought of CFCE independently once, and have any of my ideas ever been cool?So it's now become a subjective decision on what is cooler?
It is subjective, yes, but I think most people would agree that Phasing is more interesting than corners>edges for LL. I mean, I thought of CFCE independently once, and have any of my ideas ever been cool?
I don't think you can objectively say whether CFCE is a variant of CFOP or not, and as such I think subjective arguments do have some validity. In my opinion, that I'm sure others hold, CFCE is most definitely a variant of CFOP.Whether something is a separate method shouldn't be decided by one person subjectively declaring it's cool. It needs to be based on the difference between the existing methods, whether it was created as a variant, and other objective factors
how could cfce be a variant of cfop if cfce came first?I don't think you can objectively say whether CFCE is a variant of CFOP or not, and as such I think subjective arguments do have some validity. In my opinion, that I'm sure others hold, CFCE is most definitely a variant of CFOP.
Ok, that is a very valid point which I did not know, and don't really know how to respond to lol. I don't know. I still don't think they are really different methods though.how could cfce be a variant of cfop if cfce came first?
You might as well say 'How is ZZ-a a variant of ZZ if ZZ-b came first?'how could cfce be a variant of cfop if cfce came first?
You solve the corners with ortega, then you solve FB and SB edges. Then you can do LSE.Wtf is Ortega for 3x3