[Poll] What method do you use?

[ProStar]

If they're different, then ZZ-Vanilla and ZZ-VH are different methods.

ZZ-VH does OLL->PLL, except it forces an easy PLL. CFCE doesn't do OLL->PLL structure but instead it does Corners->Edges, which is totally different

 

[Nmile7300]

Why is this turning into an argument??????????

 

[Etotheipi]

Also CFCE is not a CFOP variant. If it is then LEOR is ZZ

It really is. It's just changing some algs around, not nearly as different as ZZ and LEOR.

 

[ProStar]

It really is. It's just changing some algs around, not nearly as different as ZZ and LEOR.

LEOR just changes the order of two steps, CFCE completely changes the final two

 

[Etotheipi]

LEOR just changes the order of two steps, CFCE completely changes the final two

We call pretty much all different ZZ last layer / last slot variations a variation of ZZ, whether you use COLL>EPLL, OCLL>PLL, ZBLL, or any other method, yet we don't call them a completely different method because they aren't.

 

[ProStar]

We call pretty much all different ZZ last layer / last slot variations a variation of ZZ, whether you use COLL>EPLL, OCLL>PLL, ZBLL, or any other method, yet we don't call them a completely different method because they aren't.

They aren't a new method because it's just a variation of LS->OLL->PLL. ZBLL does both OLL and PLL at once, COLL-EPLL does OLL while forcing an easy PLL. WV/SV-PLL does LS while doing OLL then does PLL.

CFCE doesn't do a variation of OLL->PLL but does an entirely different LL method

 

[Etotheipi]

They aren't a new method because it's just a variation of LS->OLL->PLL. ZBLL does both OLL and PLL at once, COLL-EPLL does OLL while forcing an easy PLL. WV/SV-PLL does LS while doing OLL then does PLL.

CFCE doesn't do a variation of OLL->PLL but does an entirely different LL method

Yes and things like Phasing, which is much more creative and different than CFCE's LL, are called to just be a variation of ZZ, but doing corners and then edges instead of OLL PLL merits it's own method. Nah.

 

[ProStar]

Yes and things like Phasing, which is much more creative and different than CFCE's LL, are called to just be a variation of ZZ, but doing corners and then edges instead of OLL PLL merits it's own method. Nah.

So it's now become a subjective decision on what is cooler?

 

[Etotheipi]

So it's now become a subjective decision on what is cooler?

It is subjective, yes, but I think most people would agree that Phasing is more interesting than corners>edges for LL. I mean, I thought of CFCE independently once, and have any of my ideas ever been cool?

 

[ProStar]

It is subjective, yes, but I think most people would agree that Phasing is more interesting than corners>edges for LL. I mean, I thought of CFCE independently once, and have any of my ideas ever been cool?

Whether something is a separate method shouldn't be decided by one person subjectively declaring it's cool. It needs to be based on the difference between the existing methods, whether it was created as a variant, and other objective factors

 

[teri2769]

i guess i use roux? idk i use like 4 different methods similar amounts but im best with roux rn

 

[Etotheipi]

Whether something is a separate method shouldn't be decided by one person subjectively declaring it's cool. It needs to be based on the difference between the existing methods, whether it was created as a variant, and other objective factors

I don't think you can objectively say whether CFCE is a variant of CFOP or not, and as such I think subjective arguments do have some validity. In my opinion, that I'm sure others hold, CFCE is most definitely a variant of CFOP.

 

[teri2769]

I don't think you can objectively say whether CFCE is a variant of CFOP or not, and as such I think subjective arguments do have some validity. In my opinion, that I'm sure others hold, CFCE is most definitely a variant of CFOP.

how could cfce be a variant of cfop if cfce came first?

 

[Etotheipi]

how could cfce be a variant of cfop if cfce came first?

Ok, that is a very valid point which I did not know, and don't really know how to respond to lol. I don't know. I still don't think they are really different methods though.

 

[Deleted member 51471]

how could cfce be a variant of cfop if cfce came first?

You might as well say 'How is ZZ-a a variant of ZZ if ZZ-b came first?'

 

[s_e_a_n666]

Wtf is Ortega for 3x3

 

[Deleted member 51471]

Wtf is Ortega for 3x3

You solve the corners with ortega, then you solve FB and SB edges. Then you can do LSE.

 

[pi³]

CFOP+Human Thistlethwaite+Other+Roux and ZZ for fun

 

[Username: Username:]

Here's my method ranks:
1. fastest, for 2H = CFOP (12-13)
2. decent, using for OH = Roux (19 approaching to sub 19)
3. atleast it's in my top 3, getting faster everyday! = Hawaiian Kociemba (20 - 26 getting to sub 20 but a bit inconsistent)
4. slowest = ZZ (ayy getting to sub 30)

 

[brododragon]

This really isn't accurate because people who use non CFOP methods are more likely to support their method, while random Cfopers probably feel their vote won't matter. Still somewhat accurate (and fun), though.