How to be sub 20

[TDM]

What? Those numbers are times or... movecounts? :confused:

Movecounts, but it was easier to use qqTimer to enter the movecounts since typing in the number would generate a new scramble, and it also calculated the average.

 

[alisterprofitt]

61, 62, 52, 67, 56, 62, 52, 62, 63, 59, 56, 63 = 59

FTFY. You could use the find/replace feature in Word to quickly do it, it takes less than 30 seconds.

 

[mafergut]

It's also more like 60 moves or more for me most of the solves. Even in slow solves where I try to be movecount efficient.

 

[DeeDubb]

I'm not that sure but I usually average around 50-60 but I don't use full OLL. I am pretty sure people who know full OLL can get well around that (50)

I absolutely doubt you average under 60 in speed solves.

 

[Isaac Lai]

I absolutely doubt you average under 60 in speed solves.

Wait let me clarify. Are rotations counted, and are double flicks counted as two moves? If yes to one or both, then I don't average under 60.

 

[mark49152]

Wait let me clarify. Are rotations counted, and are double flicks counted as two moves? If yes to one or both, then I don't average under 60.

No and no. Typical move counts for an efficient CFOP speedsolver are, in STM, including AUFs: cross 6, pairs 29, OLL 10, PLL 15. If you are really saving 10 moves somewhere, I would really like to learn your secret. Can you post some example solves?

 

[Isaac Lai]

No and no. Typical move counts for an efficient CFOP speedsolver are, in STM, including AUFs: cross 6, pairs 29, OLL 10, PLL 15. If you are really saving 10 moves somewhere, I would really like to learn your secret. Can you post some example solves?

I'll try and reconstruct some of my solves then. But it's 10 pm now and I don't have a lot of time, so I will try this later.

EDIT:

53 B2 L' F2 L' D2 L' D2 U2 R2 F2 D2 U' R2 F R' F2 D B2 D2 F
59 U2 B D2 U2 B2 U2 L2 D2 U2 B F2 R' U F L D' B D' U2 L D'
42 F U2 F R2 U2 L2 B2 L2 B' U2 B L' U F' L F' R' B2 L' B U (WTF)
60 B2 L2 B2 L2 F D2 B2 F' L2 B' R' D2 R2 U F' R2 U' L D2 (E perm tho)
57 B' L B2 F2 D2 L F2 R' B2 R F2 U L2 B2 U R F' U' F

Ao5=56.33
Mo5=54.2

Yeah can't reconstruct now tho

 

[GIEL]

It's not about how good you are in memorizing the algorithms and I mean you should look ahead in your next shot if you know what I mean. HAVE FAITH!

 

[G2013]

Well let's try ao5 and count the moves [R R' or R R2 whatever counts as 2 moves; slice moves count as 2]:

1. R2 U2 R2 D U' B D' R2 B2 F' D' R' D' L2 B L' R2 U' B2 R2 F R2 F' D2 B' U' L2 B' R' F' -> 53 moves

2. D B F R F D L2 R' D2 U' L' D U2 R U R' B2 D2 R U2 B2 F2 D' L2 D U L U B L2 -> 64 moves

3. R2 B' R' F' U' B' D2 R F' D U R' B L2 D2 B D B' U L2 D2 L' B' F2 D' U' F2 D2 B' U2 -> 57 moves

4. D R U2 F U2 L2 B L' F' L' R' F2 U2 L' U' R D' B R2 F D B F D2 L' F' L' F' R D -> 60 moves

5. D U' L F R D U2 F' U' L' R U2 L' D2 F' D' U2 L2 D2 U' L' R2 F2 D U L' B D B' U2 -> 66 moves

(53+64+57+60+66)/5 = 60 moves exactly

 

[TDM]

slice moves count as 2

Why?

Also please use a good scrambler. qqTimer, Prisma, cTimer, csTimer all have random state scrambles. Use one of those.

 

[GIEL]

Always Start with WHITE in my opinion

 

[Isaac Lai]

Always Start with WHITE in my opinion

Nope if you use CFOP you should start colour neutral. Unfortunately not many people know that.

 

[puzzl3add1ct]

Nope if you use CFOP you should start colour neutral. Unfortunately not many people know that.

I agree

 

[thelunarbros]

Why?

Slice moves count as two because they are two simultaneous outer block turns. That's at least what I know, according to WCA regulations if you are off by a slice it's a DNF.

 

[TDM]

Slice moves count as two because they are two simultaneous outer block turns. That's at least what I know, according to WCA regulations if you are off by a slice it's a DNF.

Other than penalties, if you're counting moves almost everyone uses STM for speedsolving.

 

[Renslay]

Other than penalties, if you're counting moves almost everyone uses STM for speedsolving.

Or ETM, where everything is counted as one move which is performed as one move.
y can be one move, U2 is one move, but U U are two moves, etc.

 

[TDM]

Or ETM, where everything is counted as one move which is performed as one move.
y can be one move, U2 is one move, but U U are two moves, etc.

Yes, or that. But personally I'm not too sure rotations should be included, especially when trying to calculate efficiency. I think ETM but excluding rotations would be an ideal metric (for me).

 

[Renslay]

Yes, or that. But personally I'm not too sure rotations should be included, especially when trying to calculate efficiency. I think ETM but excluding rotations would be an ideal metric (for me).

Well, ignoring cube rotations and merging U U into U2 (and others) technically leads to STM, I think.
By the way, I also prefer STM.

 

[zbolmb]

Nope if you use CFOP you should start colour neutral. Unfortunately not many people know that.

Why is being CN better than white cross? Is it so that XCross is much easier?

 

[Isaac Lai]

Why is being CN better than white cross? Is it so that XCross is much easier?

Because you can consider more options for cross? Whether there is a XCross is secondary. Being CN gives you 5 more options for cross.