How to be sub 20

[rajanreddy188]

SLOW DOWN AND LOOK AHEAD is much more important than GET GOOD ALGS, in my opinion. Case in point: it's well within the realm of possibility to reach sub-20 without knowing full OLL.

If you have perfect f2l, cross, and pll you can get sub 10 with 2 look oll.

The only problem is that this is very hard to achieve.

You can get sub 20 with 4LLL and good f2l.

 

[TheFearlessPro]

You can get sub 20 with 4lll and lbl mixed with f2l lol. Just wut i did . so yeh I gotta learn f2l, this kinda helps in the next steps considering I have a sub20 and average sub 30s with lbl 4lll and f2l mixed in. Gotta start fully switching over

 

[gateway cuber]

The single most important part of getting a consistent sub-20 average is look-ahead. Though many say "slow down and look ahead" It' more like slow down while your learning look ahead an during your competition or pb attempt, or practice solves, speed up and look ahead. the faster you can turn and still find your next pair before you finish the one your on, the better. Again whether you use 4LLL or 2LLL or 3LLL it makes only 1 second difference most likely however I do recommend you learn full pll and 2 look OLL because using 3 look OLL and/or 2 look PLL is something you don't want to do. So look ahead is definitely the most important part. And if you've mastered your look ahead and your times are only 3-4 seconds faster, than work on your TPS with turning exercises. And once you have good TPS and you still retain good look ahead, work on your last layer then not first. Anyway, it took me forever to master my look ahead and tps so don't expect this to happen overnight, you should practice your look ahead/TPS every day for at least 45 mins for 1-2 months. Yes quite a task isn't it? However, you will find it worthwhile because I and some of my friends have found that after breaking the 20 second Average barrier, we progressed very quickly and attained sub-15 averages within a month and a half! So, practice practice practice! And once you're ready to learn full/2 look OLL or 1 Look PLL, visit badmephistos cubing site. He definetly has the best OLLs and uses standard PLLs however I would reccomend learning your G perms from Chris Olson's site.

 

[PurpleBanana]

I do recommend you learn full pll and 2 look OLL because using 3 look OLL and/or 2 look PLL is something you don't want to do.

Does anybody actually use "3 look OLL" who is even in the general vicinity of sub-20? How would that even work?

And once you're ready to learn full/2 look OLL or 1 Look PLL, visit badmephistos cubing site. He definetly has the best OLLs and uses standard PLLs however I would reccomend learning your G perms from Chris Olson's site.

I'd be wary of getting OLLs or PLLs from only one source. Algdb.net is what I'd suggest because it contains many algs submitted by different people. However, I'd still recommend supplementing it with other sites like Chris Olson's or badmephisto's in case they happen to have a good alg that didn't make its way on to algdb.

 

[TheFearlessPro]

3-look oll? wut.

 

[Hagincubes]

This may help me as I am finding it tough to get sub-20

I have a video on this topic, its not high quality video but the content is good.

 

[anuj9994]

I am trying to break the sub 20 barrier. My TPS and look ahead is not great. How should I approach it...Thanks...

 

[mafergut]

I am trying to break the sub 20 barrier. My TPS and look ahead is not great. How should I approach it...Thanks...

Apart from what I already mentioned in the rts15 thread I'd say that, for more specific advice, having a video of like 3-5 solves would be nice to better see what you should put your focus on.
But, for example, can you plan at least the full cross in inspection and do it in 8 or less moves always? Also, you most probably do your cross on bottom but that's something that could be seen in a video as there are people that do it on top. Also we could see if you insert pairs on back slots or only in front slots, how much you rotate the cube... Just a couple examples.

 

[Rishi Rockzz]

help me with look ahead,
i cant actually learn it from the videos i find in youtube nor from forum - im able to do look ahead but i cant do it so good to become sub-20,
pls help me with getting sub-20 using - white cross, intutive F2l , 2look OLL, full PLL

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[Vaya inks]

Im a sub-40 cuber manily i work to much to actually mess with my cube anymore but aye wot ever. So on your journey to sub-20 where there things you regret/wish you would have done/wasted your time with/ or just tips you usally dont see. I mainly just wanna know what you regret

 

[shadowslice e]

Right now, I don't really have any 3x3 regrets specifically but when I was just about sub-20 I vaguely remember wishing i was fully and properly x2, y neutral (I use roux primarily)- i could sort of do it but i was lazy in inspection and it was a fair bit of effort so i would advise CN from as early as possible. Generic advice i know but useful in many ways.

also, not so much at 20 but it caught up to me at 15 and below (even somewhat now at 11-12) is that i didn't know full CMLL until after breaking 15 so i wasn't very good at learning algs so it was a lot of effort again. I guess I'm saying that you should get into the habit of learning algs before you get too fast otherwise the gap just gets bigger and more frustrating over time. It also gives you more time to drill those algs and time to go through the set to make sure each if the algs is as good as you can get them.

 

[Vaya inks]

Right now, I don't really have any 3x3 regrets specifically but when I was just about sub-20 I vaguely remember wishing i was fully and properly x2, y neutral (I use roux primarily)- i could sort of do it but i was lazy in inspection and it was a fair bit of effort so i would advise CN from as early as possible. Generic advice i know but useful in many ways.

Roux is the other method of sloving right?

 

[shadowslice e]

Roux is the other method of sloving right?

There are lots and lots and lots of method to solve though most people stick with CFOP (not necessarily because it's best but because it's what everyone else does). Other methods you should at least look up are Roux, ZZ, PCMS and Petrus though looking at others is never a bad thing.

I actually consider myself very fortunate that I look at the Big 4 and could do all of them to some extent until I chose at around 30 seconds which is something most people don't do- this was mostly thanks to @Dan Cochrane and @Berd.

 

[Matt11111]

There are lots and lots and lots of method to solve though most people stick with CFOP (not necessarily because it's best but because it's what everyone else does). Other methods you should at least look up are Roux, ZZ, PCMS and Petrus though looking at others is never a bad thing.

I actually consider myself very fortunate that I look at the Big 4 and could do all of them to some extent until I chose at around 30 seconds which is something most people don't do- this was mostly thanks to @Dan Cochrane and @Berd.

Well, hats off to you, mate.

 

[turtwig]

My biggest regret is probably not being CN.

 

[phamtuanktdt]

I tried and I think it works, lol

 

[XerNosam]

So basically for the past 4-5 months I've been stuck at around a 19-20 second average, and it's driving me absolutely nuts. I've watched countless videos, tried countless methods, yet absolutely nothing's working. I am not getting better and sometimes I'll even get 25 which is really annoying. Being stuck right here for this long is quite discouraging and I'm close to just forgetting speedcubing. Does anyone have any tips? I don't care if I've heard them before I just want as much information as I can get.

 

[Daniel Lin]

DON'T QUIT
just turn slower. counterintuitive, but it works

 

[Sitkhom]

Slow solves, dont focus on time but on efficiency and do not quit, but I advice you to try other cubes when you are stuck.

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[pglewis]

So basically for the past 4-5 months I've been stuck at around a 19-20 second average, and it's driving me absolutely nuts. I've watched countless videos, tried countless methods, yet absolutely nothing's working. I am not getting better and sometimes I'll even get 25 which is really annoying. Being stuck right here for this long is quite discouraging and I'm close to just forgetting speedcubing. Does anyone have any tips? I don't care if I've heard them before I just want as much information as I can get.

Heck if I know yet as I'm only approaching sub 40 consistently. But do you record your solves and watch with an eye for what can be improved?