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OH ZZ - Road to Sub-10

Luna_7

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I've been grinding 3x3 2h using EOCross ZZ for a long time, and I average around 7.5. However, recently, I've faced a bit of a plateau and haven't been getting very good official results. That's fine, it's just a setback, but I want something new to focus on as well to help that feel a but less demotivating.

That's where OH comes in. It's been my side event for a long time and I've practiced it quite a bit, but never nearly as much as 2H. At my best I used to average around low 12, but practicing recently I've been barely sub13. However, I have gotten a few really good times (earlier today I got a 7.87 PB2 single!!!).

I already know full ZBLL for 2h, but many of those algs are not good for OH, so one of my goals will be to learn full OH ZBLL, as well as improve my turning and lookahead. I think with a lot of practice, I can average sub-10, I know of many people who are sub-10 OH with comparable or slower 2h results to me.

To set a baseline of my starting point, my current PB single is 7.55, my current PB ao5 is 10.19, and this was an ao100 I did today:


Generated By csTimer on 2026-10-04
avg of 100: 12.98

Time List:
1. 9.77 L D2 L2 D L2 B2 U B2 L2 D2 R2 U R' F2 L' D' R2 U B' R
2. 13.55 D L' B2 R U B D R U' B2 U R2 L2 U2 F2 L2 B2 L2 F
3. 13.31 B' L U R F2 L U B R' B R2 D2 F U2 L2 D2 B2 L2 B2
4. 12.68 B' U' F D L B R B D U2 R2 U2 L2 B2 R' U2 R U2 R' B2 U2
5. 11.98 F U R2 B' F' U2 F' L2 F' U2 F2 D2 F R2 U R' F' R2 U' B D2
6. 13.14 F' L2 U2 L2 R2 B' F2 L2 U2 B2 U2 F L F2 U L B R' F2 R' F
7. 12.99 B' U F2 R F2 L U2 L' F2 L D2 B2 L' F' L2 U' L2 D' B2
8. 13.47 R2 U2 L2 U' F2 U2 F2 L2 F2 U' F2 R U2 F' R' D2 L F U2 B2
9. 12.88 R2 D2 F U2 B L2 B2 D2 L2 F' U2 R2 U B' L B' D2 B2 F' D2
10. 12.99 F D' F2 R2 B2 R2 U2 B2 F2 D' B' D2 R' B' L' R' U' B' L'
11. 11.25 F2 L2 U2 L' D2 B2 R' U2 R2 D2 B2 R B' D' L' R2 F' R D B
12. 10.46 D F L2 F2 U F2 L2 D2 F2 D2 B2 L2 U' F' D L' F2 D' F2 L
13. 12.77 F D L2 R2 B' F' D2 B' R2 U2 R2 U2 R2 D' U R' U' L2 B' U2
14. 15.28 R L' U' F2 D B2 D' L F R2 F2 U' F2 U' D2 F2 L2 D2 L2 U B2
15. 14.93 B' L' U2 B2 D2 F2 R F2 R' U2 L2 F2 D2 B' L' U2 B U' F2 D2 R
16. 13.83 D2 L' F2 D2 F2 U2 F2 R B2 D2 R D' R' U2 F' U B2 U
17. 13.62 F' L2 U2 B2 U' F D L U2 L2 U R2 L2 U F2 R2 L2 D F2 B2 L'
18. 13.62 R B U2 B2 D L' F' L2 D' F2 U' B2 U' F2 U' F2 U2 F2 R B2
19. 15.71 U2 B U' D' F R2 L' B' R' B2 L U2 L' U2 D2 F2 U2 L B2 R2 B'
20. 14.89 R' U2 D2 F' R' U2 F L B2 D2 F2 B2 U B2 L2 U2 D R2 L2 B2 F'
21. 12.41 F' R' F2 D R' F B' U F2 D2 R F2 U2 R2 L' B2 R' D2 L' U2
22. 16.11 F D R U2 R2 U' L' U2 L2 B U2 L2 U2 R2 F B2 U2 F2 R F
23. 13.94 U2 D' L F2 R D F' L2 D' B' D2 L2 D2 F' U2 B2 U2 F R2 B L2
24. 14.95 U2 R' F2 D F L' B D R2 F2 U2 R2 F2 D R2 D F2 D2 B' R
25. 12.41 U' B2 R D R2 B L F' D' F2 R2 B U2 D2 R2 B' L2 B2 U2 D2 R2
26. 13.64 F' B2 D2 R2 U' B2 U' R2 B2 U2 F2 U2 L' D2 R U F' D' L F
27. 14.35 L B R2 B2 D L2 U2 R2 B2 D' R2 U L2 D' R U' L R' F R2 F'
28. 11.30 F' B2 D' L2 B2 U2 B2 U' L2 B2 L2 D' R' D B' L' F2 L2 B' L2
29. 12.76 D2 B' L' F2 R D2 L F2 L F2 U2 B2 F2 R2 F L2 D' L F' D' U'
30. 12.74 B' L F' D2 B L2 F2 D L' U' F2 U2 D R2 U2 L2 F2 R2 F2 B
31. 12.54 U2 L2 F2 L2 F2 D R2 B2 U L2 U' B R' U' R2 F U2 R2 U'
32. 15.03 L' F2 U2 F2 L2 B2 R B2 R' U2 R2 U2 B F2 D2 F2 R D F2 L' B'
33. 10.28 F R D B' R2 D2 B R2 F2 L2 B2 F' U2 F D' R F' R F L U
34. 14.38 B2 D' F B2 U' F U F2 L U2 F2 R B2 L U2 L B2 F R'
35. 11.68 F D2 B U2 F L2 F' L2 R2 F2 R2 F' U' L2 R F R2 F U2 F'
36. (9.65) U' F' L2 F2 U2 D2 F R' F R2 D' B2 D2 B2 D' L2 D F2 B2 L2
37. 12.51 D2 R2 D2 L2 B U2 B F' U2 F2 D R' F' D' L F2 L' F2 R'
38. 14.27 R' F' U' R2 B2 F' R2 F' R2 F' R2 F' D2 R' B2 F2 D' F' R D'
39. 10.39 R2 D' B L2 B2 F L2 R2 D2 B' D2 L2 D2 F2 U' F2 L' R U B' L
40. 15.93 D2 B U2 B2 R2 D2 F R2 D2 F2 D2 L D' U2 R' B F' U L B
41. (19.02) D2 B2 U2 F2 U' L2 D2 U B2 U B U' L U R2 F U2 B F2
42. (16.93) R2 F' L2 U2 L2 U2 F2 D2 B D2 U L' R' B R' B2 D2 F' U B2
43. 12.69 U F' D' B2 U B2 D' L2 D' F2 U2 R2 B2 L' U' R2 B2 U' L U'
44. 12.03 F2 D2 F2 U F2 R2 B2 L2 R2 D F' D2 F' L' D' B R B' D2 B
45. 13.40 D B' L' U2 L U2 L' F2 R' B2 D2 F2 L D L2 U2 B' F' R' U2
46. 14.00 B R2 D2 L2 R2 U' B2 U' F2 U' B2 D' F2 R B2 D' U R2 B U' R2
47. 11.74 L2 B2 U B2 U L2 D' R2 B' D U' L' D' L2 F' L' D R
48. 13.69 D' B2 U R F' U' L U B D2 B2 L2 U2 F' R2 F' L2 D2 B
49. 13.08 R' U' R2 D R2 D2 R2 B2 U F2 R2 B2 F U L D2 B2 F D' U
50. 10.95 U' B2 L2 U' R2 D' F2 D2 B2 R2 F2 R' B2 R B2 R' F' R D L' U'
51. 12.26 D2 L' B U2 F' U2 L' U' B' U2 L2 B2 U2 B2 U2 R2 U B2 L2 D'
52. 15.59 D B2 D' F L2 D R B2 R2 B2 R2 U2 B2 L2 U2 B U2 B' L2 D
53. (17.49) F2 U R2 B2 U' R2 D' B2 U2 R2 U L' B2 R2 B' D B2 F2 R U2
54. 10.93 L U2 L2 R2 B2 D2 U B2 L2 D B' D' R' U2 B' U' L' D B'
55. (17.59) F2 R2 B2 D2 L B2 F2 L2 F2 R2 D F L2 U2 R F' L' D' L' U
56. 12.48 U2 F' R F' R2 D' B R2 D2 F2 B2 R' D2 L U2 R' F2 D2 R' F' R'
57. 12.76 B' R' D2 L' B2 L B2 U2 B2 R2 B2 R' U2 F U' F L2 D2 B2 U R2
58. (7.87) L B' D B2 R' U B' D2 R' B2 D2 L2 U R2 L2 F2 U' B2 U' R2
59. 10.82 B2 U' L2 F2 U' B2 D' B2 D2 L2 F2 R2 F U' B' D F2 L D2 B' L
60. 11.71 F' D' U2 L2 D' B2 U L2 B2 L2 U' F2 L' R F' R' B2 D2 L' U F'
61. 13.35 L2 D' U2 L' F2 L' U2 F2 D2 L' F2 R2 D' B' D U2 R2 D' L2
62. 14.27 D L2 U' B2 U' F2 L2 F2 U2 B2 D L2 F' D' R U2 R2 U2 B L' B
63. 12.70 R U' F2 U B2 L2 U F2 D' R2 D' L2 R' F' R2 D B' R2 D R2 F'
64. 13.93 F U' F2 R' D2 F U' L' U2 L2 F L2 B' R2 D2 B L2 U2 B U'
65. (9.28) L2 B' L2 R2 F L2 F D2 F' R2 F2 R' D' L2 U' F U' B' L' D
66. (9.09) L' R2 D2 F U2 L2 F2 R2 F' R2 D2 L2 R F2 L2 D' B U L R' D'
67. 13.10 D2 U2 R U2 B2 L' R2 B2 D2 R' U2 L2 D R2 U' L B2 F' L' U2
68. 11.44 U' B2 L2 D' F2 R2 U F2 R2 F2 D U F' L D F' U' R' B' L F'
69. 12.32 B2 L2 U2 R2 B D2 U2 R2 F2 U2 F R' U2 F' U' L' D' R D2 F
70. 16.33 B2 L2 F' R2 B D2 R2 D2 L2 B U' R' D F U' B D2 L' B2 R2
71. (16.79) U2 F' L U' R' U2 L2 F' D L2 F' R2 D2 F2 B D2 R2 D2 F U2 F'
72. 14.45 B' D2 R2 U2 L2 B2 D B2 U2 R2 U' R F2 D' L B2 D2 U' B'
73. 11.34 F' L F U R F L D' L U' R2 F2 U F2 D R2 U B2 D F2
74. 13.65 R' U2 R B2 D2 F2 L2 D2 F2 U2 R' F2 U R D' L U2 L2 B' F2 L'
75. 11.91 B' D R2 F D2 F' D2 L2 B' D2 F' L2 F2 D U R D' R D2 F
76. 11.60 R' L2 B' D2 F2 U2 L2 U2 F U2 L2 D U' B' L' B2 D' L F U
77. 12.73 U B R' L' B' U D' L' F2 D F2 L2 U2 B2 R2 F2 U' B2 D2 B2
78. (9.40) U2 L' U R F R2 F2 L2 D' F2 D' L2 B2 D2 B2 U2 L' F2
79. 12.48 R' D' L' D2 U2 L U2 R U2 B2 L' U2 B2 U' R' B' D' U2 L2 D' B'
80. 12.14 L' U2 R2 B2 U2 L2 F2 D' B2 D' B2 L D2 F U R F R' D R2
81. 13.83 F2 B R' D L U L B2 U L2 B2 D2 F2 D L2 D2 R2 U R2 B D
82. 14.16 L2 D' B2 D2 L2 D2 B L2 B F L2 D2 R2 D' F R' B' D2 L D
83. 13.18 D2 L F2 L2 U2 R' B2 R B2 U2 F2 R' D' B' L' U' B' L B D'
84. 12.13 F' D R D2 R B' U R L' U2 L2 B' D2 F' D2 L2 U2 D2 F B2
85. 13.91 B2 R' B' U' R F' L U D2 F2 U2 F2 R B2 U2 R2 F2 L' U2 L' D
86. 10.51 D2 R' F2 R D2 U2 F2 D2 U2 R B2 R2 B' R B' R D' L' B U'
87. 13.72 U2 L2 B' U2 L2 F L2 D2 F L2 U2 L2 R' B' R U2 F' D' L2 R D
88. 14.31 B2 U2 R2 D2 L2 R' F2 R B2 D2 L' U2 B R' U R' U' F' D' R' U'
89. 11.97 B' L2 F D2 R2 D2 L2 F2 U2 F' U2 R2 L B L2 U B2 R B' D' U2
90. 12.15 B' R2 U2 B L D2 B U' L2 U' R2 L2 U' L2 D F2 U F2 R U'
91. 11.94 U2 L B L2 D' R2 D' B2 D F2 D2 F2 D2 B' L2 D' R2 U2 L2 F
92. 12.01 U' L2 D R2 U' F2 D2 L2 B2 L2 B2 F R' F' U2 B' D2 U2 L' R'
93. 15.58 U F2 U2 R2 D' U2 R2 D' B2 F2 U' F' D2 L' U F L U B U2
94. 11.11 U D' R' L D2 L2 U D2 R2 B L2 U2 F2 B U2 B R2 F2 L' F2
95. 15.93 L' B' F L2 B R2 D2 B' D2 U2 F' U2 R' U' F U2 R' D2 L2 B2
96. 11.67 R' B' U2 F B2 R F' U' L2 D2 B2 D2 B U2 B' U2 L2 U2 R2 F2 D'
97. 13.16 B2 L' D R' U' F U2 B R U2 D2 R2 B' R2 D2 L2 U2 F2 B'
98. 11.73 R2 D F2 R2 U2 R2 F2 L2 F D F' U L' U' B F' D' U2
99. 12.90 B' U2 D' L D' F' R L B L2 D F2 D' R2 D F2 U2 L2 U L2
100. 11.95 L2 D' R2 F2 L2 D' B2 R2 D' U2 B2 L F' D' B2 L B U2 B' L'
 
Good luck on your OH progress!
I'm guessing you're also planning on beating Simon Kalhofer's ZZ OH WR, right? That record stands for quite some time now
Hopefully yes. Simon's an amazing solver but respectfully I can't allow the ZZWR not to be with EOCross :)

also since it feels weird to make a completely new message just for the next thing I was going to say, I'll add here that I was not exepecting to start this grind with a PB single on day one

Generated By csTimer on 2026-10-04
single: 7.01

Time List:
1. 7.01 F2 D2 B2 R B2 U2 L2 D2 U2 F' L R2 F' R' D R' D'

x2 y' // inspection
U' R' F' R2 L2' D' R2 U2' R // eo223
z R U R U' R' U // 3rd
R U R' U' // 4th
z' U R' U' R U' R' U2' R2 U R' U R U2' R' U2' // ZBLL
 
I wasn't the happiest with my 2h main for OH, I was overshooting sometimes and my hand was getting strained pretty fast, so I tried out doing some solves on all of my good speedcubes to find which one would be best, and a good setup. Took a few days of bad solves but I got one I like a lot. Today I got a sub12 ao100 which is PB!

Generated By csTimer on 2026-10-09
avg of 100: 11.93

Time List:
10.41, 10.61, 11.94, 12.39, 10.60, 10.96, 11.19, 12.68, 12.47, (14.63), 12.04, 12.72, 13.38, 11.65, 11.69, 13.07, 12.71, 10.96, 10.12, 10.02, 10.69, (15.62), (8.45), 11.21, 11.87, 12.25, 13.10, 14.40, 11.78, 11.44, 12.55, 11.66, 10.18, 12.56, 13.59, 14.19, 12.05, 11.46, 12.75, 11.25, 11.72, 12.99, 14.40, 11.43, (15.00), 11.17, 11.45, 11.05, 10.97, 11.20, 12.42, 12.58, 12.97, 14.36, 10.24, (8.78), (14.55), 14.13, 12.59, 11.30, 11.54, 11.08, 14.25, 10.65, 13.55, 12.04, 11.46, 11.75, 12.55, 13.02, (9.67), 10.25, 10.90, 13.26, 13.27, 12.04, 10.90, 10.03, 13.34, 13.60, 11.24, (9.66), 10.56, 10.44, 11.19, 11.05, 11.33, 10.49, 12.25, 11.07, 12.84, (15.35), 11.13, 12.09, 14.03, 11.37, 12.03, (9.51), 11.57, 12.39

there's also a 11.06 ao12 in there, another PB, and a 10.28 ao5, which isn't PB but its very close.
 
Generated By csTimer on 2026-10-10
avg of 5: 9.73

Time List:
1. 8.82 R' U L R2 U L2 R2 U L2 U R2 D2 F2 D' F' L R' D2 U F' L
2. (8.57) D2 B' D' L' U L2 F' D' F2 U2 B2 R2 F2 R B2 L D2 R B2
3. (12.97) D' F2 L2 U2 B' U2 B' R2 F L2 F' R2 U2 D' L' R' D L B U F'
4. 11.66 B' D B' U' D R L2 D R2 F' B' U2 B D2 R2 F R2 B' D2 F' R
5. 8.70 L' D2 R2 F' R2 F L2 B2 U2 B' D2 R2 L U' R' D F' L' D' B'

I got my first sub-10 ao5 !!
 
Generated By csTimer on 2026-10-10
avg of 5: 9.73

Time List:
1. 8.82 R' U L R2 U L2 R2 U L2 U R2 D2 F2 D' F' L R' D2 U F' L
2. (8.57) D2 B' D' L' U L2 F' D' F2 U2 B2 R2 F2 R B2 L D2 R B2
3. (12.97) D' F2 L2 U2 B' U2 B' R2 F L2 F' R2 U2 D' L' R' D L B U F'
4. 11.66 B' D B' U' D R L2 D R2 F' B' U2 B D2 R2 F R2 B' D2 F' R
5. 8.70 L' D2 R2 F' R2 F L2 B2 U2 B' D2 R2 L U' R' D F' L' D' B'

I got my first sub-10 ao5 !!
yay first sub-10 gjgj!
 
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