Heise Method Discussion thread

[It3ration]

Touche - but conjugates and commutators are especially good to learn.

 

[Smartyy]

Heise Method

Just wanted to open a sort of discussion on this method. I mean if i'm going to be taking 2 weeks of learning petrus and roux, might as well add another one to see how Heise is, right?
I don't know anybody who uses this method, and theres only like 3 youtube vids I can find of people actually using it.
I would still be curious to see what you all think about it, if it has potential, and if it is worth learning.
Regardless I will be learning it after Roux's week so, two weeks from now I will look at it. I also be learning it for the sake of fewest move solves, I like doing fewest move solves and apparently this is the way to go for that.
So what do you all think about the Heise Method?

-Smartyy!

 

[Mike Hughey]

I'm pretty awful at the Heise method, but I do know that every time I spend about an hour trying to do Heise solves and THEN try a fewest moves solve, I wind up getting a really good solve (even though I don't use Heise for the solve). It seems like doing Heise helps you understand the cube better (well, perhaps I should say it seems like it helps ME understand the cube better - not sure it has that effect on other people).

 

[Ruggles]

I've been practicing doing Heise of and on for a little while, and it's hard to get good with it. So far I'm averaging at about 1:50-1:30 with Heise, but it has changed my perspective dealing with the rubik's cube. This has helped me learn more about how the rubik's cube works, and solving the cube is much more fun when you know what you're doing.

 

[*LukeMayn*]

Some Ryan Heise stuff. Questions?

Ummm... What are your guys controls for big cubes like 4x4x4 and up ( I mostly want 4x4x4) also if anyone is kind enough *winks cutely* can you give me your PLL's for...
N's, V, A's and thats it.. thanks

 

[Lucas Garron]

4x4x4, I use standard controls, with 6 for u2 (parity), 5x5x5 standard.

AQTM-optimal are the regular PLLs. No good V, though.

 

[It3ration]

Ryan Heise: The "two pairs" approach

I have been using the Ryan Heise method for several months now with times in the 30's to 40's. His site describes a different (more advanced) approach to solving the last 5 edges and 2 corners called the "two pairs" approach. The link to his description is here:

http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/two_pairs.html

Has anyone else figured this out? His method is advanced, and it's hard to find people that use it.

 

[MistArts]

I use it for FM.

 

[waffle=ijm]

Heise for speed=eh not so good
Heise for FM = very good

 

[It3ration]

Well, I've been using it for FM mostly. But I'd sure like to learn two pairs..

 

[MistArts]

Well, I've been using it for FM mostly. But I'd sure like to learn two pairs..

Create one pair, make another w/o destorying the first one, solve edges.

Play around with it and you'll get hot to avoid parity and stuff.

 

[It3ration]

On his site he seems to orient all of the LL edge pieces before building the pairs. Is this necessary? If so, it seems like more work than the simple approach..

 

[AvGalen]

On his site he seems to orient all of the LL edge pieces before building the pairs. Is this necessary? If so, it seems like more work than the simple approach..

Isn't that true for most advanced solutions? More work (algs, practise, recognition) but faster? Or do you mean more moves?

 

[It3ration]

Well, for Ryan Heise the whole point is that it's completely intuitive. You can use it for FM. However, I also use it for speed solving, and sometimes get below 30, and I'm using the easiest approach to solving the last 5 edges and 2 corners. I think Ryan Heise uses it and often gets sub-20 solves.

Basically, I just need to see a Youtube video of someone doing the "two pairs" approach. There is no algorithm memorization, but the concept is quite tricky.

 

[MistArts]

On his site he seems to orient all of the LL edge pieces before building the pairs. Is this necessary? If so, it seems like more work than the simple approach..

It is not necessary, but when I'm block building, I try to use edge control and leave 0 or 2 edges unoriented. Then start to build the pairs and orient the pieces or orient before with Lars' 3-mover.

 

[Athefre]

Heise for speed=eh not so good

Travel back to the 80's and tell people that Petrus, Roux, and Fridrich are good for speed, most would tell you that everything takes too long to recognize.

I believe strongly that if you practice Ryan's method long enough you will be as fast as the people that use the other popular methods.

Has anyone else figured this out? His method is advanced, and it's hard to find people that use it.

I use it when solving slowly for fun and I don't have many problems, it gets a lot easier when you practice it for a while. Remember that you can use L and even F and B moves in this step, not just R and U.

 

[It3ration]

Athefre, I agree with you. Honestly I'm quite fast. The part that really takes the most time is:

1) Orienting last 5 edges.
2) Solving the two corners before the last 3 corner solve.

I always just orient the last 5 edges, then solve the next two corners using (two) three corner cycles, then solve the remaining 3 corners using a three corner cycle. Sometimes I can solve the first two corners at once using a three corner cycle if i see it quickly enough. It seems though that the point here is that the part that takes the longest is orienting the last 5 edges/2 corners before last 3 corner solve. That's why I'm wondering if the "two pairs" approach would be good here as it solves the last 5 corners and first two corners before last 3 corners all at once instead of one at a time.

Does anyone use it regularly ("two pairs")? If so, if anyone would be willing to make a Youtube vid..

I should mention that my whole reason for learning Ryan Heise in the first place was to avoid the task of memorization. I'm just now starting to memorize the standard OLLs/PLLs, which is a total pain. I'd much rather do it intuitively.

Sometimes I use Fridrich to build the F2L except for one of the corner slots, then use Ryan Heise for the rest.

 

[Athefre]

1) Orienting last 5 edges.

After finishing all four squares you can orient most of the edges while putting the squares in place. In my opinion its a much quicker strategy than doing Fridrich F2L then orienting the five edges using F'U2F or F'U'F for example.

2) Solving the two corners before the last 3 corner solve.

Just practice and that will get faster.

 

[Town]

"two pairs" seems very high tech

 

[MistArts]

"two pairs" seems very high tech

Not really. If you were using it in speedsolving, then it would be harder to avoid parity. Not impossible though.