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Bubtore · Oct 17, 2016

Solution of Swiss NR done at MSDJ 2016 :

S // R' U' F D' L2 U2 R2 U' F2 D' F2 L2 U2 L D B' L B R B2 U2 B2 D' R' U' F
I // F' U R D B2 U2 B2 R' B' L' B D' L' U2 L2 F2 D F2 U R2 U2 L2 D F' U R

(D R' D2 F' D2) // 222
(B U' L2 B L' B U L U B) // L4C

Skel // B' U' L' * U' B' L B' L2 U B' + D2 F D2 R D' - 15

* L U L' D L U' L' D'
+ B' U2 B D B' U2 B D'

Solution // B' L' D L U' L' D' U' B' L B' L2 U B2 U2 B D B' U2 B D F D2 R D' - 25 Moves

maciek119 · Oct 17, 2016

Hi guys, I've just started FMC and I have a question: Do you recommend practising without a time limit at first and after some time switching to 1 hour solves or should I start with time limit straightaway?

Cale S · Oct 17, 2016

maciek119 said:
Hi guys, I've just started FMC and I have a question: Do you recommend practising without a time limit at first and after some time switching to 1 hour solves or should I start with time limit straightaway?

Start by practicing with a time limit, then when you get decent you can improve a lot by practicing without, and you can gradually get the same results faster until it's within the limit

I was averaging low 30s at Nationals 2015, and then I started doing untimed attempts and got down to 26-27 average, and my next official mean after doing it was 26.67

Cale S · Oct 23, 2016

Weekly FMC

D' R' B2 D2 U' R' D2 B2 U R2 D2 F' L R D' L2 F U2 D B'

U R // EO
D' B D2 // 1x2x3
F' U' B2 // 2x2x3
F2 D2 (D2 F D) // F2L
F2 D' F' D F' D2 B' U L2 U' B D2 // ZBLL

Solution: U R D' B D2 F' U' B2 F2 D2 F2 D' F' D F' D2 B' U L2 U' B D F' D2

Robert-Y · Oct 23, 2016

^I took your solution and somehow managed to save a move:

D' R' B2 D2 U' R' D2 B2 U R2 D2 F' L R D' L2 F U2 D B'

U R // EO
D' B D2 // 1x2x3
F' U' B2 // 2x2x3
(D' F2 D2 F2) // another square
D' F D' F' // another square
B' D2 F D F' D2 B // block commutator

U R D' B D2 F' U' B2 D' F D' F' B' D2 F D F' D2 B F2 D2 F2 D

Rcuber123 · Oct 24, 2016

Lolwut 25.33 mo3 with last the weekly FMC from 2 weeks last week and this week

24, 29, 23

The 24 was a PB single and then the 23.

uesyuu · Oct 25, 2016

Crazy scramble and stupid solution.
I found 19moves solution.

scramble: D2 L2 U2 F2 R2 U2 L' D2 L F2 B R' U' L R2 B2 L' U L'

solution: L' D' B' R' B R D F U' B2 U B2 U2 B2 F R' D R D'

start on inverse
premove:L
D R' D' R F' / pseudo 223
B2 U2 / pseudo F2L-1
B2 U' B2 U F' / F2L
D' R' B' R B D / LL

Ranzha · Oct 30, 2016

27.33 mean on the current German Forum competition:

1. R' U' F D2 F2 U2 B2 U2 B U2 B U2 F2 R' F' R' U' L' B' F2 D' F U2 R' U' F

B' U B' (U' R') // 222
L' U L2 U' // 223
D2 B' L B // psF2L-1
L D2 L B' L' B // 4C (19)

Skel: B' U B' L' U L2 U' D2 B' L B L D2 L B' L' B (1) R U
(1): [B2, R F' R'] // 8-3

Skel: B' U B' L' U L2 U' D2 B' L B L D2 L B' L' B' R F' R' (2) B2 R F U
(2): [R' B2 R, F2] // 8-1

Solution: B' U B' L' U L2 U' D2 B' L B L D2 L B' L' B' R F' R2 B2 R F2 R' B2 R F2 B2 R F U (31)

2. R' U' F U2 R2 B2 U' L2 F2 D2 R' U F' L F R U2 L R' B R' F R' U' F

3-minute skeleton:
D' F R2 D' F // 222
B2 L' U2 B L' // 223
U' R' U (1) R U // 5C (15)
(1): [D2, R U R'] // 8-4

Skel: D' F R2 D' F B2 L' U2 B L' U' R' D2 (2) U R U R' D2 R
(2): [L', U R2 U'] // 8-3

Solution (33 min): D' F R2 D' F B2 L' U2 B L' U' R' D2 L' U R2 U' L U R' U R' D2 R (24) Optimal

3. R' U' F L2 U2 L2 R2 B' F2 R2 B L R D' R2 B L2 D' F U' L U2 R' U' F

First thing I tried. Solution found in 4 minutes.
R2 (1) D L // 222
R' U' R U R' F // 223
U F' U F U' R' // F2L-1
R B' R' B U2 B U' B' U // 3C (22)

(1): [L, D R2 D'] // 8-3

Solution: R2 L D R2 D' L' D R L U' R U R' F U F' U F U' B' R' B U2 B U' B' U (27)

Rcuber123 · Oct 30, 2016

Last week's weekly FMC

PB! Also 25.33 PB mo3

UR / EO (2/2)
D' B D2 / 1x2x3 (3/5)
F' U' B2 / 2x2x3 (3/8)
(D' F2 D2 F2) / F2L-1 (4/12)
(D' F # D2 F' D) ab2e2c (5/17)

Insert at #: F' D B' D2 F D' F' D2 B F D' (11-5=6)

17+6=23

Cale S · Oct 30, 2016

crazy skeleton from German weekly comp

R' U' F U2 R2 B2 U' L2 F2 D2 R' U F' L F R U2 L R' B R' F R' U' F

(D F L') // EO
B2 U' B // 2 squares
(D' B2 D U' F2 D F') // L5C

B2 ^ U' @ B F D' F2 U D' B2 D L F' D'
@ = [U' B' U, F]
^ = [R, U L' U']

Solution: B2 R U L' U' R' U L U B' U F U' B U B D' F2 U D' B2 D L F' D' (25)

13 to L5C

optimal insertions are 24 though

Ranzha · Oct 31, 2016

Cale S said:
Solution: ... (25)

Get rekt

Cale S · Oct 31, 2016

Ranzha said:
Get rekt

yes but then I got this for the 3rd one

R' U' F L2 U2 L2 R2 B' F2 R2 B L R D' R2 B L2 D' F U' L U2 R' U' F

D (F' L') // 2x2x2
B2 U R' (R') // 2x2x3
U' B' U2 B2 // 3e6c

D @ B2 U R' U' B' U2 B2 R L F
@ = R' U' R U // L5C

D R' U' R U B2 U R' U' B' @ U2 B2 ^ R L F
@ = [B, U F U']
^ = [U2, R D' R']

Solution: D R' U' R U B2 U R' F U' B' U F' U B2 U2 R D' R' U2 R D L F (24)

Insertion Finder can't even use my first skeleton, but the L5C is optimal

good example of 3 edges + some corners skeleton

Ranzha · Oct 31, 2016

Cale S said:
yes but then I got this for the 3rd one

R' U' F L2 U2 L2 R2 B' F2 R2 B L R D' R2 B L2 D' F U' L U2 R' U' F

D (F' L') // 2x2x2
B2 U R' (R') // 2x2x3
U' B' U2 B2 // 3e6c

D @ B2 U R' U' B' U2 B2 R L F
@ = R' U' R U // L5C

D R' U' R U B2 U R' U' B' @ U2 B2 ^ R L F
@ = [B, U F U']
^ = [U2, R D' R']

Solution: D R' U' R U B2 U R' F U' B' U F' U B2 U2 R D' R' U2 R D L F (24)

Insertion Finder can't even use my first skeleton, but the L5C is optimal

good example of 3 edges + some corners skeleton

And we had the same skel for the first one. Vgj on that mean.

Will you be at FMC USA?

Cale S · Oct 31, 2016

Ranzha said:
And we had the same skel for the first one. Vgj on that mean.

Will you be at FMC USA?

no

closest venue is 5 hours away which isn't too bad for a normal comp and I would go if I went to comps by myself, but going just for FMC is too far

Attila · Oct 31, 2016

1st scramble from Hungarian Open:

R' U' F R' D2 U2 F2 L' U2 L2 R' B2 R2 D' L' B D' L2 R B R' U F' U2 R' U' F

D' L' B U2 B R2 U R2 L2 D' R2 B2 L' B R L' D' B2 L B2 L' U2 R B' F' - 25 moves

(B F) 2 pairs,
D' L' B U2 B orient corners and 4 edges,
R2 U R2 L2 D' 2 more edges,
R2 B2 L' - B R L' D' - B2 L B2 L' U2 R domino solution with inserted -B R L' D'-

DGCubes · Nov 6, 2016

Just got my FMC PB of 26! Beat my old one by 7 moves! Super proud of the solution (and also super happy because of how lucky it ended up).

R' U' F L2 U2 B2 R' U2 L U2 F2 U2 F' R' B D2 L2 B2 F2 L' U' R2 F R' U' F

R' D2 R F2 // 2x2x2 block
F2 R2 // 2x2x3 block
B' F' U F U // F2L-1
switch
R U' R2 (U U') B' U D' R' D R U' B U // to L3C (technically pair 4 + OLL)

R' D2 R F2 R2 $ B' F' U F (U U') B' U R' D' R D U' B R2 U R'
$ = R' F' R B2 R' F R B2

Solution: R' D2 R F2 R F' R B2 R' F R B F' U F B' U R' D' R D U' B R2 U R'

TheDubDubJr · Nov 7, 2016

Thank you everyone online for the congratulations for winning FMC USA 2016.
Here are the solutions.

Scramble: R' U' F U' L2 B2 D' L2 D R2 D' U B' R2 D L2 R' U2 B D' B' F U' R' U' F
Inverse: F' U R U F' B D B' U2 R L2 D' R2 B U' D R2 D' L2 D B2 L2 U F' U R

start on normal
n) L' B R U' // EO
F2 L B' // 3x2x1
switch
i) D2 L' // 2x2x3
switch
n) R2 F R2 F2 R F2 R' F' // 17 to L5C

skeleton: L' B R U' F2 L B' R2 F R2 F2 R F2 R' ([2]512 - R B L2 B' R' B L2 ([1]234 - R2 B L B' R2 B L' B') B') F' L D2
cancelled 3 total for a 30

solution: L' B R U' F2 L B' R2 F R2 F2 R F2 B L2 B' R' B L2 R2 B L B' R2 B L' B2 F' L D2 // 30

Insertion Finder says 29 is optimal on 1st insertion cancelling 1 and nested cancelling 3.
Terrible insertions :'(

Scramble: R' U' F D' F2 R2 B2 L2 D2 B2 U2 B R' F U L2 D2 R B F2 L' U' R' U' F
Inverse: F' U R U L F2 B' R' D2 L2 U' F' R B' U2 B2 D2 L2 B2 R2 F2 D R' U R

start on normal
n) R D' // 2x2x1
switch
i) U2 F2 L' // 2x2x2
U R' B R2 U2 // 2x2x3
switch
n) D' R' D R D' R2 D R B2 // 18 to L5C

skeleton: R ([2]345 - R' F2 R B R' F2 R B') D2 R' D R D' R2 D R B2 U2 R2 B' ([2]123 - B D R2 D' B' D F2 D') R U' L F2 U2
cancelled 4 total for a 30

solution: F2 R B R' F2 R B' D2 R' D R D' R2 D R B2 U2 R2 D R2 D' B' D F2 D' R U' L F2 U2 // 30

Insertion Finder says 29 is optimal on an insertion that I don't know why I didn't find it because it cancelled 3. Just some bad fluke.
Still bad insertions :/

Scramble: R' U' F R2 D2 F2 R2 B' F2 L2 F' U2 F' U' L' R2 U R' B D F2 R' U R' U' F
Inverse: F' U R U' R F2 D' B' R U' R2 L U F U2 F L2 F2 B R2 F2 D2 R2 F' U R

start on normal
n) R' B' L' U' // EO
switch
i) L2 F R F2 D2 // 2x2x3
B L' B' L F' L' B' L F // Multislotting F2L
U B2 U F D' R2 D F' U2 // ZBLL

solution: R' B' L' U F D' R2 D F' U' B2 U' F' L' B L F L' B L B' D2 F2 R' F' L2 // 26

I guess not doing insertions worked out for me.

I was glad that my insertion luck didn't hinder me from winning.
Congratulations also to AJ and Mark.

Torch · Nov 7, 2016

FMC USA 2016:

Scramble: R' U' F U' L2 B2 D' L2 D R2 D' U B' R2 D L2 R' U2 B D' B' F U' R' U' F

F2 R' U2//2x2x1
F2 R' D'//Another 2x2x1
(F' L D' F2 B')//Pseudo F2L-1
B2 L U' L' U L' B L B'//F2L+EO
R U2 R' B' U R U R' U' B U//ZBLL

Solution: F2 R' U2 F2 R' D' B2 L U' L' U L' B L B' R U2 R' B' U R U R' U' B U B F2 D L' F (31)

Scramble: R' U' F D' F2 R2 B2 L2 D2 B2 U2 B R' F U L2 D2 R B F2 L' U' R' U' F

R F R' F' D'//3x2x1
R2 B' L' D' L2//2x2x3
U R2 U' R' U2 R2//F2L-1
U' F' U' F R U R' U//L3C

Skeleton: R F R' F' D' R2 B' L' D' L2 U R2 U' R' U2 R2 U' F' U' [1] F R U R' U

[1]: [U R U', L']

Solution: R F R' F' D' R2 B' L' D' L2 U R2 U' R' U2 R2 U' F' R U' L' U R' U' L F R U R' U (30)

DNS (I had to leave the comp at 4:00 PM)

I tried the last scramble last night before I went to bed, but I was too tired and gave up after like 15 minutes. Would have needed 31 to tie PB mean, 30 to break PB mean, or 28 to podium.

Congrats to the winners!

biscuit · Nov 8, 2016

This is my first attempt ever. I got to f2l -1 and spent like 20 minutes trying to find any sort of decent continuation, but they all kinda sucked. My plan was get something that solves edges then try my hand at an insertion. Ran out of time though before finding anything half decent, so I'll just post up to F2l-1

U' R2 F2 L2 U2 F U2 B' L2 F' L2 D2 L U' L2 D2 R' D' U' L2

U2 L2 R2 D U L’ //2x2 6/6

R F’ R U F2 U2 F U F’ //3x2 9/15

U’ R U’ F’ R’ U2 R F U’ //F2l -1 9/24

Any critiques or suggestions welcome! I need to go read through a bunch of good solves now. I don't really get last layer and how it should be done yet.

That was fun! Not sure if I can see my self doing much other than if it's at a comp just because of the time.

TheDubDubJr · Nov 8, 2016

biscuit said:
This is my first attempt ever. I got to f2l -1 and spent like 20 minutes trying to find any sort of decent continuation, but they all kinda sucked. My plan was get something that solves edges then try my hand at an insertion. Ran out of time though before finding anything half decent, so I'll just post up to F2l-1

U' R2 F2 L2 U2 F U2 B' L2 F' L2 D2 L U' L2 D2 R' D' U' L2

U2 L2 R2 D U L’ //2x2 6/6

R F’ R U F2 U2 F U F’ //3x2 9/15

U’ R U’ F’ R’ U2 R F U’ //F2l -1 9/24

Any critiques or suggestions welcome! I need to go read through a bunch of good solves now. I don't really get last layer and how it should be done yet.

That was fun! Not sure if I can see my self doing much other than if it's at a comp just because of the time.

Hey Garrett,

You can experiment with Pseudo blocks and premoves.

After your 2x2x2,
U' R' // makes an additional 2x2x1
then a U2 makes it a 2x2x3. In order to make it fixed, if you add a U2 as a premove before the scramble (a U2 is because that is the moves the block is offset by compared to the 2x2x2).
It helps make it a 10move 2x2x3 instead of 15.

I don't have time to continue but I can private message you about it when I have more time later.

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