Brest
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On inverse
B' R' U' R' F L' D R2 L B2 U' L2 B2 L2 B2 D' R2 D' F2 U'
U' L2 U2 D2 F' // as you had
R' B' R2 U2 R U // add EO and 2x2
R B R' B2 R B2 R' B' // standard insert and luck 2x2
IF gives 22 moves *\o/*
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On inverse
B' R' U' R' F L' D R2 L B2 U' L2 B2 L2 B2 D' R2 D' F2 U'
U' L2 U2 D2 F' // as you had
R' B' R2 U2 R U // add EO and 2x2
R B R' B2 R B2 R' B' // standard insert and luck 2x2
IF gives 22 moves *\o/*
Cale S
Veteran
yay I inserted a 5-cycle of corners to solve L5C
R' U' F D2 L' B2 F2 R2 U2 F2 D2 L' D2 L D F L D B R' B2 D R2 U R' U' F
(F L' D' R F) // EO
(R U R' D L2 U L2 U') // some edges?
U L2 U' L2 D' R U' R' F' R' D L F' ^
^ = F' B' D2 F D R' D2 R D' @ B // non optimal pair commutator to L5C
@ = (B2 L B2 L')3 // lol 5-cycle insertion
Solution: U L2 U' L2 D' R U' R' F' R' D L F2 B' D2 F D R' D2 R D' B2 L B2 L' B2 L B2 L' B2 L B2 L' B (34)
IF only gave a 36
such a complicated solution for a bad result, at least the mean was sub-30
(F L' D' R F) // EO
(R U R' D L2 U L2 U') // some edges?
U L2 U' L2 D' R U' R' F' R' D L F' ^
^ = F' B' D2 F D R' D2 R D' @ B // non optimal pair commutator to L5C
@ = (B2 L B2 L')3 // lol 5-cycle insertion
Solution: U L2 U' L2 D' R U' R' F' R' D L F2 B' D2 F D R' D2 R D' B2 L B2 L' B2 L B2 L' B2 L B2 L' B (34)
IF only gave a 36
such a complicated solution for a bad result, at least the mean was sub-30
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Parham Saeednia
Regular
My solution for dadams weekly comp:
Scramble: D' L' R B L' F' D2 U2 R' B' R2 D2 U' B' D2 U F' R D L2
Scramble: D' L' R B L' F' D2 U2 R' B' R2 D2 U' B' D2 U F' R D L2
2x2x2: B U' L2 U2 L
EO+Pairs: F' D2 R2 F' R
2x2x3: B' D B
F2L-1: D + F' D' F2
AB3C: D' F D F'
Insert at +: D' L' U L D L' U' L
Final: B U' L2 U2 L F' D2 R2 F' R B' D B L' U L D L' U' L F' D' F2 D' F D F'
27 HTM
EO+Pairs: F' D2 R2 F' R
2x2x3: B' D B
F2L-1: D + F' D' F2
AB3C: D' F D F'
Insert at +: D' L' U L D L' U' L
Final: B U' L2 U2 L F' D2 R2 F' R B' D B L' U L D L' U' L F' D' F2 D' F D F'
27 HTM
Cale S
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tried the first scramble of FMC USA
R' U' F U' L2 B2 D' L2 D R2 D' U B' R2 D L2 R' U2 B D' B' F U' R' U' F
U L' U L // square
F' U' R' U' // lots of stuff out of nowhere
from here I found (R D' R' D B U B R B' R' U') which gives 15 to L5C
found a 25 with this
but I still had 15 minutes left so I went back with a different skeleton I had and found an even cooler 25:
F' (U F') // square
(L U2 R) U R' L // 2x2x3
(U' F R U' R' F' U') // 3e3c
F' U R' L U F R U R' F' U R' ^ U2 L' F U' @
^ = D' F' D F
@ = [U F2 U', B]
Final solution: F' U R' L U F R U R' F' U R' D' F' D F U2 L' F' U' B U F2 U' B' (25)
U L' U L // square
F' U' R' U' // lots of stuff out of nowhere
from here I found (R D' R' D B U B R B' R' U') which gives 15 to L5C
found a 25 with this
but I still had 15 minutes left so I went back with a different skeleton I had and found an even cooler 25:
F' (U F') // square
(L U2 R) U R' L // 2x2x3
(U' F R U' R' F' U') // 3e3c
F' U R' L U F R U R' F' U R' ^ U2 L' F U' @
^ = D' F' D F
@ = [U F2 U', B]
Final solution: F' U R' L U F R U R' F' U R' D' F' D F U2 L' F' U' B U F2 U' B' (25)
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Daniel Lin
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how often do you FMCers use LL algs? compared to insertions
http://porkynator.altervista.org/6-10_HTM_LL.txt
http://porkynator.altervista.org/6-10_HTM_LL.txt
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Cale S
Veteran
second scramble of FMC USA
and the third scramble
25, 27, 28 = 26.67
R' U' F D' F2 R2 B2 L2 D2 B2 U2 B R' F U L2 D2 R B F2 L' U' R' U' F
R D' // square
(U2 F2 L') // 2x2x2
(U R' B R2 U2 B2) // F2L - 1 minus corner
D' (D') // F2L minus 2 corners
D' R2 D R D' R D R' // L5C
R D R2 D R D' R D R' D @ B2 U2 R2 B' R % U' L F2 U2
@ = [D', R U R']
% = [R', B L B']
Solution: R D R2 D R D' R D U R' D R U' R' B2 U2 R2 L B' R B L' B' U' L F2 U2
27 moves
R D' // square
(U2 F2 L') // 2x2x2
(U R' B R2 U2 B2) // F2L - 1 minus corner
D' (D') // F2L minus 2 corners
D' R2 D R D' R D R' // L5C
R D R2 D R D' R D R' D @ B2 U2 R2 B' R % U' L F2 U2
@ = [D', R U R']
% = [R', B L B']
Solution: R D R2 D R D' R D U R' D R U' R' B2 U2 R2 L B' R B L' B' U' L F2 U2
27 moves
and the third scramble
R' U' F R2 D2 F2 R2 B' F2 L2 F' U2 F' U' L' R2 U R' B D F2 R' U R' U' F
R' (L2 R2 F) // 1x2x3 first block
U L2 B' U' B (U') // second block + EO (lol)
D U' F2 D U' // F2L edges
U' R' U R2 B R' U' R2 U R B' R2 U' R U // diagpi ZBLL lol
Solution: R' U L2 B' U' B D U' F2 D U2 R' U R2 B R' U' R2 U R B' R2 U' R U2 F' R2 L2
28 moves
this was a really nice scramble but I ended up doing a roux solve with diagpi ZBLL at the end lol
R' (L2 R2 F) // 1x2x3 first block
U L2 B' U' B (U') // second block + EO (lol)
D U' F2 D U' // F2L edges
U' R' U R2 B R' U' R2 U R B' R2 U' R U // diagpi ZBLL lol
Solution: R' U L2 B' U' B D U' F2 D U2 R' U R2 B R' U' R2 U R B' R2 U' R U2 F' R2 L2
28 moves
this was a really nice scramble but I ended up doing a roux solve with diagpi ZBLL at the end lol
25, 27, 28 = 26.67
guysensei1
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29 on weekly FMC
D' L' R B L' F' D2 U2 R' B' R2 D2 U' B' D2 U F' R D L2
D' L' R B L' F' D2 U2 R' B' R2 D2 U' B' D2 U F' R D L2
B2 U L' D L2 * F L2 R'//223 (8)
F2 D' L D' L'//F2L-1+EO (5)
F D' F2 D F' D'//4C (6)
*=R ** B' R' F R B R' F'
**=L F L' B' L F' L' B
final: B2 U L' D L' R F L' B' L F' L' R' F R B R2 L2 F2 D' L D' L' F D' F2 D F' D' (29)
F2 D' L D' L'//F2L-1+EO (5)
F D' F2 D F' D'//4C (6)
*=R ** B' R' F R B R' F'
**=L F L' B' L F' L' B
final: B2 U L' D L' R F L' B' L F' L' R' F R B R2 L2 F2 D' L D' L' F D' F2 D F' D' (29)
Hssandwich
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B2 F2 R2 B2 D' L2 D L2 F2 D' L2 B U' B L' B' L' R' F' U R'
Found this while doing 3x3 and couldn't resist trying it for FMC
Found this while doing 3x3 and couldn't resist trying it for FMC
B2 F2 R2 B2 D' L2 D L2 F2 D' L2 B U' B L' B' L' R' F' U R'
i: R U' F R L B L B' U B' L2 D F2 L2 D' L2 D B2 R2 F2 B2
R2 D U' L' //pseudo 223
//After switching, I couldn't find any really good continuations, so before fixing the 223, I tried making more blocks. I stumbled across this one
(R' F R F' L F') //pseudo F2L-1
//I was ready to switch, but as I tried solving a 2x1x1 on U with R U2 R', I saw it solved the blue F2L!
(R U2 R') //F2L
//Then a super easy tripod LL to finish
(R F R2 D R D2 F' D) //finish (also cancelling 2 moves)
Solution: R2 D U' L' D' F' D2 R' D' R2 F' U2 R' F L' F R' F' R (19)
i: R U' F R L B L B' U B' L2 D F2 L2 D' L2 D B2 R2 F2 B2
R2 D U' L' //pseudo 223
//After switching, I couldn't find any really good continuations, so before fixing the 223, I tried making more blocks. I stumbled across this one
(R' F R F' L F') //pseudo F2L-1
//I was ready to switch, but as I tried solving a 2x1x1 on U with R U2 R', I saw it solved the blue F2L!
(R U2 R') //F2L
//Then a super easy tripod LL to finish
(R F R2 D R D2 F' D) //finish (also cancelling 2 moves)
Solution: R2 D U' L' D' F' D2 R' D' R2 F' U2 R' F L' F R' F' R (19)
RhysC
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Great start, terrible finish. Oh well. I guess sub-30 will have to wait for another day. Feel free to use this awesome start, though.
S: F' U2 F2 R2 F' U2 B' R2 U2 F2 U R D R' F' L' B2 U' B2 D'
I: D B2 U B2 L F R D' R' U' F2 U2 R2 B U2 F R2 F2 U2 F
L' F2 // Psuedo 1x2x2 thing (2/23)
<F' D F B U> // 2x2x3 (5/23)
<D' R D R2> // F2L-1 (4/23)
<D R' D' R D R D F D' F' R' F D F'> AB3C (14/23)
Skeleton: L' F' D' F' R F D # F' D' R' D' R' D R D' R2 D' R' D U' B' F' D' F (24/24 [1 move cancelled by NISS])
# - [R2,(F L F')] (1 move cancelled)
Solution: L' F' D' F' R F D R2 F L F' R2 F L' F2 D' R' D' R' D R D' R2 D' R' D U' B' F' D' F (31)
Just checked with IF and insertion is optimal as well... damn.
I: D B2 U B2 L F R D' R' U' F2 U2 R2 B U2 F R2 F2 U2 F
L' F2 // Psuedo 1x2x2 thing (2/23)
<F' D F B U> // 2x2x3 (5/23)
<D' R D R2> // F2L-1 (4/23)
<D R' D' R D R D F D' F' R' F D F'> AB3C (14/23)
Skeleton: L' F' D' F' R F D # F' D' R' D' R' D R D' R2 D' R' D U' B' F' D' F (24/24 [1 move cancelled by NISS])
# - [R2,(F L F')] (1 move cancelled)
Solution: L' F' D' F' R F D R2 F L F' R2 F L' F2 D' R' D' R' D R D' R2 D' R' D U' B' F' D' F (31)
Just checked with IF and insertion is optimal as well... damn.
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S: F' U2 F2 R2 F' U2 B' R2 U2 F2 U R D R' F' L' B2 U' B2 D'
I: D B2 U B2 L F R D' R' U' F2 U2 R2 B U2 F R2 F2 U2 F
L' F2 // Psuedo 1x2x2 thing (2/18)
<F' D F B U> // 2x2x3 (5/18)
<D' R D R2> // F2L-1 (4/18)
<D2 R' B' D' B D R> // AB4C (9/18)
IF says 28 is optimal on that
I: D B2 U B2 L F R D' R' U' F2 U2 R2 B U2 F R2 F2 U2 F
L' F2 // Psuedo 1x2x2 thing (2/18)
<F' D F B U> // 2x2x3 (5/18)
<D' R D R2> // F2L-1 (4/18)
<D2 R' B' D' B D R> // AB4C (9/18)
IF says 28 is optimal on that
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Weekly FMC
Scramble: D2 F' R' D' L B D2 R' B2 L' D F' L U D2 B L' R U2 F2
Feel free to try to get something good out of this. I ended up using 28 to 3C because I was low on time.
(B D F2 R' D2 F2 D2 R) //222+pairs
U' R' F2 R //4C4E (10)
sk: U R' F2 D2 F2 D2 R F2 D' B'
Feel free to try to get something good out of this. I ended up using 28 to 3C because I was low on time.
(B D F2 R' D2 F2 D2 R) //222+pairs
U' R' F2 R //4C4E (10)
sk: U R' F2 D2 F2 D2 R F2 D' B'
Emilien
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B2 F2 R2 B2 D' L2 D L2 F2 D' L2 B U' B L' B' L' R' F' U R'B2 F2 R2 B2 D' L2 D L2 F2 D' L2 B U' B L' B' L' R' F' U R'
Found this while doing 3x3 and couldn't resist trying it for FMC
R2 // '2x2x2' (1)
(D' U F' L' B' F U2) // 2x2x3 (7)
(U' L U B U' F' L F U) // Lol (9)
Solution : R2 U' F' L' F U B' U' L' U' F' B L F U' D (16)
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I'm in the process of hammering in the last few of the 6-9-move LLs.
I made a trainer: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ArjEsqHo3wkKlMHKVjzl5uTa885jGpnXVbn_SMqPzdo/edit?usp=sharing
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Daniel Lin
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yeah I saw that on the facebook group
but how often do people usually use them? i'm not sure if should learn them or just use comm insertions for now
Cale S
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yeah I saw that on the facebook group
but how often do people usually use them? i'm not sure if should learn them or just use comm insertions for now
Use LSLL tricks when nice ones come up, otherwise use insertions
ChrisCuber123
Regular
My solution for weekly FMC:
F2 D' B' F2 R F2 // EO2x2x2 (6/6)
L2 R' U R // 2x2x3 (4/10)
U2 L' U' L U L2 U' ^ L // L5C (8/18)
insert at ^: B L F' L' B' L * F L' (8, cancels 2)
insert at *: L' F' R' F L F' R F (8, cancels 3)
final solution: F2 D' B' F2 R F2 L2 R' U R U2 L' U' L U L2 U' B L F' L' B' F' R' F L F' R F2 (29)
L2 R' U R // 2x2x3 (4/10)
U2 L' U' L U L2 U' ^ L // L5C (8/18)
insert at ^: B L F' L' B' L * F L' (8, cancels 2)
insert at *: L' F' R' F L F' R F (8, cancels 3)
final solution: F2 D' B' F2 R F2 L2 R' U R U2 L' U' L U L2 U' B L F' L' B' F' R' F L F' R F2 (29)
parsa
Regular
Weekly FMC
D2 F' R' D' L B D2 R' B2 L' D F' L U D2 B L' R U2 F2
2x2x1+EO: F2 + D' B'
2x2x2: F2 R F2
Xcross+Pair: U' L
F2L-2: U2 L' U L
AB3C: U2 R' L U' L' R U'
Insert at +: L' U' L D' L' U L D (2moves cancelled)
Final: F2 L' U' L D' L' U L F2 B' R F2 U' L U2 L' U L U2 R' L U' L' R U'
(25 HTM)
2x2x1+EO: F2 + D' B'
2x2x2: F2 R F2
Xcross+Pair: U' L
F2L-2: U2 L' U L
AB3C: U2 R' L U' L' R U'
Insert at +: L' U' L D' L' U L D (2moves cancelled)
Final: F2 L' U' L D' L' U L F2 B' R F2 U' L U2 L' U L U2 R' L U' L' R U'
(25 HTM)
RhysC
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Probably the silliest solution that I've ever come up with
Sorry for double post but tfw you get lucky with insertions and get a pb by 5 moves (weekly fmc)
S: R2 U' B2 R2 D F2 U2 R2 D' L2 D B F U' F R2 U R2 F L' B'
I: B L F' R2 U' R2 F' U F' B' D' L2 D R2 U2 F2 D' R2 B2 U R2
[R D' F2] // Pseudo 2x2x2 (3/32)
[B R2 B' U' R' D'] // Pseudo 2x2x3 (6/32)
D B U2 B' U' R2 // F2L-1 (6/32)
[R B' R' B] // EO (4/32)
[U2 B U' B' U B U2 B' U B U B' U] // Forced LL Skip (13/32)
Solution: D B U2 B' U' R2 U' B U' B' U' B U2 B' U' B U B' U2 B' R B R' D R U B R2 B' F2 D R' (32)
There were some promising other progressions, but they all led to dead ends
I: B L F' R2 U' R2 F' U F' B' D' L2 D R2 U2 F2 D' R2 B2 U R2
[R D' F2] // Pseudo 2x2x2 (3/32)
[B R2 B' U' R' D'] // Pseudo 2x2x3 (6/32)
D B U2 B' U' R2 // F2L-1 (6/32)
[R B' R' B] // EO (4/32)
[U2 B U' B' U B U2 B' U B U B' U] // Forced LL Skip (13/32)
Solution: D B U2 B' U' R2 U' B U' B' U' B U2 B' U' B U B' U2 B' R B R' D R U B R2 B' F2 D R' (32)
There were some promising other progressions, but they all led to dead ends
Sorry for double post but tfw you get lucky with insertions and get a pb by 5 moves (weekly fmc)
S: D2 F' R' D' L B D2 R' B2 L' D F' L U D2 B L' R U2 F2
I: F2 U2 R' L B' D2 U' L' F D' L B2 R D2 B' L' D R F D2
U R B' R' F2 D2 B D // 2x2x3 (8/20)
B' U' L' B' L // F2L-1 (5/20)
[U2 R B' R' B2 U' B'] // AB4C (7/20)
Skeleton: U R B' R' F2 D2 B D B' U' L' # B' L B U B2 R B R' U2 (20/20)
# - L F' L' B2 L F L' B2 (cancels 3)
New skeleton: U R B' R' # F2 D2 B D B' U' F' L' B2 L F L' B L B U B2 R B R' U2 (25)
# - R B R' F' R B' R' F (cancels 7 lol wtf)
Solution: U F' R B' R' F' D2 B D B' U' F' L' B2 L F L' B L B U B2 R B R' U2 (26)
Optimal according to IF Insertions saved the day for once in my life
I: F2 U2 R' L B' D2 U' L' F D' L B2 R D2 B' L' D R F D2
U R B' R' F2 D2 B D // 2x2x3 (8/20)
B' U' L' B' L // F2L-1 (5/20)
[U2 R B' R' B2 U' B'] // AB4C (7/20)
Skeleton: U R B' R' F2 D2 B D B' U' L' # B' L B U B2 R B R' U2 (20/20)
# - L F' L' B2 L F L' B2 (cancels 3)
New skeleton: U R B' R' # F2 D2 B D B' U' F' L' B2 L F L' B L B U B2 R B R' U2 (25)
# - R B R' F' R B' R' F (cancels 7 lol wtf)
Solution: U F' R B' R' F' D2 B D B' U' F' L' B2 L F L' B L B U B2 R B R' U2 (26)
Optimal according to IF
Insertions saved the day for once in my life
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Daniel Lin
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forum comp
trying to use the trick where you insert one move
trying to use the trick where you insert one move
B2 F2 D' R2 U2 B2 U B2 D B2 R' F D2 U' L' U2 L' R2 D R'
B2//square
L U F' L F//square
U2 L F U F//square
U' L//4e4c
can't find a good insertion. oh well
B2//square
L U F' L F//square
U2 L F U F//square
U' L//4e4c
can't find a good insertion. oh well
Robert-Y
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https://www.worldcubeassociation.org/competitions/PSKubing2016/results/all#e333fm_f
Getting a 24 wasn't good enough to get on the podium
Also no DNFs.
Getting a 24 wasn't good enough to get on the podium
Also no DNFs.
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