Dayan Vs Verdes Petition

[ElectricDoodie]

Im not young.

I'm 20.

I loled.








Also, I love premature petitions, made on the spot, without facts.
Then again, this is the internet.

 

[CubesOfTheWorld]

You are clearly completely ignorant of the impact that the Verdes family has had on both speedcubing and puzzle design. The concept for the design is as important as the puzzles themselves When children ignorant of the situation like yourself keep thinking about nobody but themselves, everyone suffers except for a few sweatshop operators in China.

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Verdes makes very high quality cubes with a good, original mechanism. I just think that they should at least make the V-Cube 3 before they take away one of the greatest (if not the greatest) speedcubes on the market. I don't even think that the GuHong corner is similar enough to the V-Cube corner piece. The fact that it comes in separate parts and that there is a stalk on it doesn't make it similar enough to the V-Cube corner. I'm nearly positive that the owner of DaYan looked at the V-Cube corner and tried to replicate that into a 3x3, while trying to evade the copyright infringement.

 

[Meep]

Verdes makes very high quality cubes with a good, original mechanism. I just think that they should at least make the V-Cube 3 before they take away one of the greatest (if not the greatest) speedcubes on the market. I don't even think that the GuHong corner is similar enough to the V-Cube corner piece. The fact that it comes in separate parts and that there is a stalk on it doesn't make it similar enough to the V-Cube corner. I'm nearly positive that the owner of DaYan looked at the V-Cube corner and tried to replicate that into a 3x3, while trying to evade the copyright infringement.

You seem so sure that it's about the corner piece.

 

[HavoCentral]

Cameron aka Camcuber, said that he was told that when asked to remove the cubes from his site.

Also V-Cubes refused to sell to Speedcubeshop because he sells what they call knockoffs, but Cube Depot is still selling both GuHongs and authentic V-Cubes.

I would also like to add that cubedepot sells many KOs.

This thread will remain open for discussion about the petition ONLY in regards to V-Cube's recent actions toward the GuHong brand cube. Any continuation of the arguing from the previous thread will result in an immediate 1 day ban and a deletion of the offending post.

We can go back and forth about who is right and who is wrong, but I agree with Chris that this thread is about the petition, and if you have negative opinions, keep them to yourselves. Out of the hundreds of people who had viewed this thread and the petition, only a handful have complained.

The point of a petition is to stop things before they go to far.
Currently there is a bill in the senate that if passed, will allow our government to blacklist sites in the united states, making them impossible to view.
Should we wait to see the outcome? or try to stop it before it gets to far. There are many people starting petitions and contacting senators to stop this from happening. This is just one example.

 

[ninjabob7]

The way I see it, Verdes has every right to protect his patent - perhaps the GuHong does infringe it, perhaps not. The problem I have is with his methods. From what I have read this whole thing started with him getting eBay/PayPal to shut down sellers. He did this with no warning, possibly even before taking legal action against DaYan but certainly before announcing such action publicly. From eBay's point of view, DaYan is guilty until proven innocent. While I can understand the benefits of this approach, it is the opposite of how the legal system works in most countries.

So far it looks like the only people that have been hurt by this incident are the small sellers. Anyone who wants to buy a GuHong or LingYun can get one from Lightake or from DaYan's own site.

It also strikes me as suspicious that Verdes is going after some sellers and products while ignoring others. The Shengshou 4x4 looks a lot more like the V-Cube mechanism than the GuHong does, but no one has gotten cease-and-desist letters about those. Also V-Cubes refused to sell to Speedcubeshop because he sells what they call knockoffs, but Cube Depot is still selling both GuHongs and authentic V-Cubes.

Basically, I have no problem with Verdes taking legal action against KO manufacturers. I do have a problem with him bullying sellers, and unless some new info comes out, I will not be buying any V-Cubes.

 

[Dene]

You (HavoCentral) clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

I think it's almost time to start talking about Hitler.

 

[Tim Reynolds]

This petition seems to be just a kneejerk mob reaction before relevant facts become available. Yes, petitions can work, but when they're very hastily made and not based on solid information they don't mean much.

 

[HavoCentral]

You (HavoCentral) clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

I think it's almost time to start talking about Hitler.

You (Dene) have not contributed anything to this conversation but hateful and flaming remarks towards me.

 

[Julian]

The way I see it, Verdes has every right to protect his patent - perhaps the GuHong does infringe it, perhaps not. The problem I have is with his methods. From what I have read this whole thing started with him getting eBay/PayPal to shut down sellers. He did this with no warning, possibly even before taking legal action against DaYan but certainly before announcing such action publicly. From eBay's point of view, DaYan is guilty until proven innocent. While I can understand the benefits of this approach, it is the opposite of how the legal system works in most countries.

Exactly.

 

[masterofthebass]

if everyone would remember, eBay is behind the closing of auctions like pixel. v-cubes just reported items as kos and happen to see a few auctions. they cant keep up with every sing webstore thats out there. jat just doesn't make sense

 

[ElectricDoodie]

I agree with Chris that this thread is about the petition, and if you have negative opinions, keep them to yourselves.

You apparently don't know what constitutes a discussion.

You can't just say, "Let's start a discussion about Global Warming! Everyone who is opposed cannot say a word! Let's begin."
That is completely ignorant.

 

[Dene]

EDIT: Directed at HavoCentral, people posting too fast.

When people say stupid things I like to let them know about it so perhaps they will take the efforts to better themselves. You have thus far chosen to ignore me, so be it. And if you read what I said and took the time to think about it (like I asked) you would have seen that I actually provided useful information such as "how about waiting until we know what's going on" and "the legal system is not as simple as signing a poorly written petition" etc. And yes I have singled you out because you are the instigator, but rest assured there have been some other very very idiotic comments made in this thread that I decided to ignore because I'm sure Chris doesn't want to give me a more serious ban. (I expect to get banned for this post, but to be consistent Chris will have to ban you as well!)

 

[Ethan Rosen]

We can go back and forth about who is right and who is wrong, but I agree with Chris that this thread is about the petition, and if you have negative opinions, keep them to yourselves. Out of the hundreds of people who had viewed this thread and the petition, only a handful have complained.

I strongly disagree with the foundation you built your petition on. I don't see why you think discussing the argument behind your "petition" is somehow not talking about the "petition" but yea Ok.

The point of a petition is to stop things before they go to far.

I don't think the Verdes family has gone far enough, but most of what they do will never be open to the public eye. I certainly hope the behind the scenes work they are doing will help to curb the knock-off problem our community is struggling with.

Currently there is a bill in the senate that if passed, will allow our government to blacklist sites in the united states, making them impossible to view.
Should we wait to see the outcome? or try to stop it before it gets to far. There are many people starting petitions and contacting senators to stop this from happening. This is just one example.

I happen to be strongly against that bill. What the Verdes family is doing is in no way related to this bill.

 

[HavoCentral]

I happen to be strongly against that bill. What the Verdes family is doing is in no way related to this bill.

It is just an example of a big problem being nipped in the butt early on before it escalates.
I too am against it.

 

[Daniel Wu]

Whether or not I agree with what the petition says, I still wouldn't sign it just because of the blatant disregard for grammar and spelling that suggest a very small amount of thought was put into it.

 

[HavoCentral]

for all the people that have complained about the grammer:

As many cubers know, Verdes Innovations S.A. has recently stated 
that the Dayan Lingyun and Guhong cubes infringe on the copyrights granted 
by the following patent as shown at the link: 
[url]http://v-cubes.com/pdf/European_patent.pdf[/url]

Verdes Innovations S.A. has been known to take cubes
off the market, yet not releasing their own.
This petition is to see if we can get Verdes Innovations S.A.'s
attention and show thim how much this action has affected
the cubing community as a whole, in hopes they will retract
their claim.

thanks to LearningCode for the original write up.

Let me know if this sounds better, and add to or modify it to be as good as it can possibly be, then someone start a petition with it as the statement and post in this thread with a link to the petition, and I will add it to the first post. Or I could make it.

 

[Stefan]

reputably gave local jobs to people in their community. What a horrible disservice.

Bawww, killjoy.

 

[ZamHalen]

You missed Philip Espinoza,Gabriel Dechichi,and Breandan Vallence in the famous cubers thing.
Philip was NAR holder for 3x3, Gabriel is the fastest in South America, and Breandan won WC '09.

 

[Fire Cuber]

I can't see what that says.

oh, sorry I'll edit that post

 

[Daniel Wu]

@HavoCentral
That sounds much better than the current wording.