Dayan Vs Verdes Petition

[Yes We Can!]

**Only the names I recognize, If a famous cuber signed and I missed it let me know

Famous is relative.

 

[TimMc]

What is the V-Cubes claim? You do realise that they're known as VERDES Innovations S.A. don't you?

I would cast a vote but your question is ambiguous. The petition doesn't make sense and is full of errors too.

If you want to see how many people will vote in favor of Dayan compared to Verdes then put a poll up on mf8!

Dayan, Verdes and Seven Towns have a right to protect their patents, trademarks, and copyright. If they're not protected in certain countries then they wont be able to export and sell them there easily. Surely you already know that there are products coming out of China that violate patents and trademarks of others so that they can make some money as knock-off companies. I wont put Dayan in that category as I'm not a lawyer.

Why do you want to boycott Verdes so much without even having the facts present?

I'm a big fan of Dayan and Verdes for supporting the speedcubing community. I wish them no harm. Do you? Seriously?

Tim.

 

[Stefan]

Just sign it. I see it as more of a signature in support of the Cubing Community anyway.

Well like you said, that's how *you* see it. That's not at all what it says, and some just don't "see" it that way.

What is the V-Cubes claim? You do realise that they're known as VERDES Innovations S.A. don't you?

You really think they're known as "VERDES Innovations S.A."? I didn't, I know them as "Verdes" or "V-Cubes" and didn't know "VERDES Innovations S.A." at all before this, and I suspect that's true for most of us.

 

[LearningCode]

It's true of me!
I only knew them as Verdes Innovations S.A. when I went to search the company's name.

I think this petition should be more like:
Until Verdes Innovations S.A. makes their reasons for *Insert action here* known to the cubing community, we will not support their company.

 

[CubesOfTheWorld]

Signed and voted for disagreeing with Verdes and not buying their products.

 

[Fire Cuber]

Wow, look at this

7th in the most popular petition!

Verdes for supporting the speedcubing community.

Is that really true?

 

[Julian]

Wow, look at this



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I can't see what that says.

 

[Kurbitur]

One thought here, anyone know if it would be hard to make the V3, i'm talking about just 1. We got the blueprints and everything online so would be cool if someone could make it if it's possible just to see if it functional and competive to the gunhong.

 

[CubesOfTheWorld]

Chris, you've been around for SO long. Boycott V-cubes? Seriously? I know you're a nice guy that doesn't like forum drama, but some backhands need to be dealt. Also, Pro-tip for kids pretending to be confused by my post. Welcome to the Internet, my name is KYLOL.

My imagination is too limited for me to be pretending. You just need to calm down.

 

[TheJCube]

Jeffrey Wang from iCubeMart signed it

 

[BigSams]

One thought here, anyone know if it would be hard to make the V3, i'm talking about just 1. We got the blueprints and everything online so would be cool if someone could make it if it's possible just to see if it functional and competive to the gunhong.

I can't find the link but I remember that someone made a meh home-made version a while back. It was black and crappy-looking. Seemed like rough turning. But a factory machine-made version would be better. Anyone have the link? I'm pretty sure there was a video.

 

[Kirjava]

inb4 friction

 

[Slash]

If this is what I think is, than it looks nothing like Dayan cubes.

 

[CubesOfTheWorld]

The cubes are completely different.

 

[uberCuber]

and now he edits the picture out of his post when he realizes what he just did...

 

[Quadrescence]

Mr. Panagiotis Verdes

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It must have been 6 years ago when NEWCUBES posted on the TwistyPuzzles forum, something many of you may not know even exists.

The statement made was bold. There was a link to a website, olympicubes.com, with CGI of 2x2 through 11x11, with specifications and such.

Many were skeptical.

I remember with utter clarity the ambition people had to design and materialize 6x6x6 and higher cubes. I recall one person successfully making a 7x7x7 by extending a 3x3x3, but the design was not very solid. Successful nonetheless, and it was huge news! Pochmann also had designs, I believe he had a "pin" design. I think a few others did too.

Skepticism rose significantly when only promises were made by Mr. Verdes but nothing showed for the next several years. I think I can accurately say that most people lost hope in it.

Then Verdes came back with promises fulfilled. He successfully made the cubes. Not only that, he made them well. After lots of due hype, they were finally being shipped out. I bought one of each, and even made an unboxing and review. I was extremely excited, more excited than my first sub-60 on a 3x3.

I didn't care if they were going to turn like ****. I'd be happiest if they at least worked. But to my surprise, Verdes not only made the cubes, but they were a delight to turn. They were wonderful.

Those 6+ years of hard work really paid off. The design was novel, and inspired (iirc) designs for the teraminx and stuff.

Now, we have nice 3x3s made by other people. If Dayan's cubes use the design Verdes invented up to affine transformation, then Verdes has every right to pursue legal action. Verdes worked hard. If I were him, I'd do the same.

I do admit I am not an expert on Dayan cubes nor their design. So I am not necessarily saying Verdes is right. But I am saying that if his designs were used in the 3x3 Dayan manufactures, as specified not by the pictures in Verdes' patent, but by the mathematical descriptions, then Verdes should triumph.

To all of you 14 year old pretend-experts on law, patents, and cube design, I hope you keep your mouth shut until you get your facts straight. I also hope you people don't just mindlessly boycott Verdes just because he is taking action against a product you might like.

I think 6 years ago, any sane person would trade every one of their 3x3s for a single 7x7. But most newcomers seem to not fully realize what Verdes introduced to the world, so they will easily reject his work, so long as they still have their 7x7 their mom bought them.

 

[Quadrescence]

and now he edits the picture out of his post when he realizes what he just did...

I doubt he wants to hear a forum full of people saying "OMG HIS CUBE DOES NOT LOOK EXACTLY THE SAME AS THE DAYAN WTF!!!!! BOYCOTT BOYCOTT", missing the point entirely. Just sayin

 

[TimMc]

You really think they're known as "VERDES Innovations S.A."?

I agree that they're probably more commmonly known as Verdes when referring to the company but calling them V-Cubes seems a bit strange, especially when trying to create a petition. It's like saying Rubik's when referring to Seven Towns. Although the Rubik's brand tends to be confused with other DIYs these days...

Is that really true?

The fact that their inventions have provided more challenges for the twisty puzzle community, have enabled faster world records to be set, and they continually provide V-CUBE products as prizes for WCA competitions should be some indication that they support the speedcubing community.

The same can be said about Dayan.

Tim.

 

[The Bloody Talon]

To all of you 14 year old pretend-experts on law, patents, and cube design, I hope you keep your mouth shut until you get your facts straight. I also hope you people don't just mindlessly boycott Verdes just because he is taking action against a product you might like.

this.

 

[Meep]

To all of you 14 year old pretend-experts on law, patents, and cube design, I hope you keep your mouth shut until you get your facts straight. I also hope you people don't just mindlessly boycott Verdes just because he is taking action against a product you might like.

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