Shortey
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Dayan Vs Verdes Petition
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Godmil
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I'm also a little sceptical of the list of notable cubers in the OP... Clearly designed to give credibility to the list, yet consisting of many names of people who have financial interests in this event. :/
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Ethan Rosen
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A few years ago people were dreaming of cubes beyond 5x5x5, and Verdes set out to deliver them to us. I remember reading through all of the posts about how they were short on money and went through a hurricane of **** to get these cubes to the community. To see these spoiled little brats flooding the speed-cubing community and betraying V-cubes is just ridiculous. I clicked on the comments section of the petition and just saw a flurry of choppy sentences. It looked like a mixture of a seven year old blind child and a snail with down syndrome trying to type out their rage all at once. It's very clear that there is a twelvie army of parents'-credit-card-using kids who really want cubes and they don't care about V-cubes as a company that has been tied in with the community for years. On behalf of the bomb droppin', homie clappin' domin' kids, STRAIGHT homies - FLIP YOU KIDS. FLIP YOU. To Chris or any other admin who is about to ban me - If you are sick of forum drama, then ban the twelvie army who dump their idiocy in here day in and day out. I see no reason to "get along" with people who are actively destroying the community. -always, from the bottom of my glass of chocolate milk.
I agree with this sentiment 100%. These kids all forget the immense struggle that the Verdes family went through to even get onto the market. MY heart goes out to every inventor who will not be able to invest in their designs because of children who knowingly buy and support knockoff products.
And just to ensure that I am on topic, the above is why I refuse to sign that disgustingly ignorant "petition."
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The 5x5x5 world record cube before the V Cube-5 came out was the Rubik's brand 5x5x5.
CubesOfTheWorld
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The cubing world was like Thom's pants back then...
Godmil
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I'd like to quickly explain why I'm not going to sign this. Firstly I love my Guhong, it's my main cube and I really believe I'm several seconds slower with anything else. I also agree with the principle of protecting patents and feel Verdes have every right to prevent Knock Offs entering the market. I have no idea if the Guhong really does rip-off the V-cube design, I'd guess it is inspired by it, but I'd hope it shows significant developments that make it unique and not a patent violation. However, I completely understand why Verdes would want to do this.
A lot of people are confused why Verdes would try to protect their 3x3 design when they're not (currently) in the 3x3 market. The answer is simple and hasn't been mentioned on the forums yet. If Verdes doesn't take steps to protect their patent (which covers 2x2 to 11x11) then it weakens it. Letting any patent violation pass un challenged will make any future claims harder to justify in court. So if they feel their patent is being violated (even if some people don't agree with it) they HAVE to take action in order to protect the patent - and essentially their whole business.
A lot of people are confused why Verdes would try to protect their 3x3 design when they're not (currently) in the 3x3 market. The answer is simple and hasn't been mentioned on the forums yet. If Verdes doesn't take steps to protect their patent (which covers 2x2 to 11x11) then it weakens it. Letting any patent violation pass un challenged will make any future claims harder to justify in court. So if they feel their patent is being violated (even if some people don't agree with it) they HAVE to take action in order to protect the patent - and essentially their whole business.
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HavoCentral
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I complete support V-Cube in fighting the V5-V7, but as of today, they have not done anything to stop KOs from being produced. They have only stopped production of puzzles they have yet to produce. The reason I support the KOs, is because if they can produce quality puzzles, why cant V-Cube? especially since they have had the designs for years.
Back when I first got my Maru 4, I purchased it because I heard it was the best 4x4 available at the time. If a V4 had been available, and just as good, I would have considered purchasing it. While the maru is based on the V mech, It has many differences, such as screw spring, different corners, different hidden edge pieces, a premodded core piece, and an entirely different core than the V4s designs shown.
I have a YJ 5 because I do not feel like purchasing a V5 and having to mod it in order to be able to adjust the tension. To me that is the biggest design flaw in the V-Cubes line.
And if someone wants another petition made, then start it. and I will add it to the first post.
All 3x3s are technically KOs of the original, even the V3. There are more similarities between the V3 and the original rubiks, than there are between the guhong and any other cube. V-Cube isnt claiming the guhong is a copy of their V3, from the information I have read, they are claiming the the guhongs corner is a copy of the V5s corner, since it has a corner stock.
Back when I first got my Maru 4, I purchased it because I heard it was the best 4x4 available at the time. If a V4 had been available, and just as good, I would have considered purchasing it. While the maru is based on the V mech, It has many differences, such as screw spring, different corners, different hidden edge pieces, a premodded core piece, and an entirely different core than the V4s designs shown.
I have a YJ 5 because I do not feel like purchasing a V5 and having to mod it in order to be able to adjust the tension. To me that is the biggest design flaw in the V-Cubes line.
And if someone wants another petition made, then start it. and I will add it to the first post.
All 3x3s are technically KOs of the original, even the V3. There are more similarities between the V3 and the original rubiks, than there are between the guhong and any other cube. V-Cube isnt claiming the guhong is a copy of their V3, from the information I have read, they are claiming the the guhongs corner is a copy of the V5s corner, since it has a corner stock.
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Ethan Rosen
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You are clearly completely ignorant of the impact that the Verdes family has had on both speedcubing and puzzle design. The concept for the design is as important as the puzzles themselves When children ignorant of the situation like yourself keep thinking about nobody but themselves, everyone suffers except for a few sweatshop operators in China.
~Adam~
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If Verdes wants to clear things up they could easily post exactly why they believe the GuHong infringes upon their patent.
It would do nothing but good for the name of the company. The fact that they haven't is more than a little suspicious.
They must know about the controversy this has caused by now.
It could be a blatantly obvious breach of their patent which nobody seems to be aware of.
If this is the case then I think the vast majority of us would agree that they are perfectly within their rights to do what they're doing.
It would do nothing but good for the name of the company. The fact that they haven't is more than a little suspicious.
They must know about the controversy this has caused by now.
It could be a blatantly obvious breach of their patent which nobody seems to be aware of.
If this is the case then I think the vast majority of us would agree that they are perfectly within their rights to do what they're doing.
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Ethan Rosen
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Gee, I dunno. Could it maybe have anything to do with the fact that the startup costs the Verdes family had to pay may be just a wee bit higher than a Chinese sweatshop owner has to pay when he steals a design?
izovire
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This is why I'm not signing the petition either... I still think this issue needs to be cleared up in court somehow... the petition seems... immature.
This is a case that needs a professional to look at.
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Ethan Rosen
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When was the last time you heard of any company publicly releasing information on a company they are pursuing legal action against? It wouldn't at all be in their favor (and would probably be downright illegal) to post sensitive legal information.
~Adam~
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If it's in the company's best financial interests then why wouldn't they?
It would be in their favour if they are clearly in the right and I'm sure it wouldn't be illegal.
HavoCentral
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Not everything in china is made in sweatshops.I would consider that stereotyping and racism.
And yes, it costs a lot, I realize that. But with the price they charge for their products, I am sure they can afford it. Look at Mefferts and how often they release new puzzles.
If I were V-Cube, Instead of releasing a puzzle in January, I would have released it a week or two ago. I Would expect more sales, considering it is the holiday season.
~Adam~
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Why are you sure? Are you their accountant?
If they release a new product before it's ready it would be a terrible mistake especially when it's been so long since they last release a new product.
masterofthebass
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Ok let us know when you come up with a ground breaking design in the world of puzzle building and create a manufacturing company for people to get your products.
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Ethan Rosen
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It's amazing that you know so much about business! Maybe you should create a design, put it to production, and sell it yourself! You can even sell it in the holiday season! O what a splendid idea that is! I mean, with all of this unbelievable knowledge you have about business in China and startup costs for plastic molding companies, you must have gone to an amazing business school. I have some ideas man, I think we should go into business together. Heck, I don't even need a great idea, your business skills alone should be enough to start a company. And when people blatantly steal our products and sell them cheaper because they don't have to deal with startup costs, we won't bother going after them, we'll just release puzzles during the holiday season. O what a splendid business venture this will be!
Godmil
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Thank gawd there are still intelligent people posting on this forums. I feared mob mentality was taking rule.
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Stefan
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If only someone like Meffert had offered to help them...
masterofthebass
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Actually Seventowns apparently offered to help as well. It turns out people don't like the labor situations in china and reputably gave local jobs to people in their community. What a horrible disservice.
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