Dayan vs. V-Cube Patent Infringement

[ariasamie]

I signed the petition.
I think a separate thread should be made about this petition.


and this:

I don't think I'm going to give any money to someone who is damaging this community. I hope that others will join me.

 

[Winball]

It's sort of easy to say you want to boycott v-cubes when you already have the 6-6 and 7-7.

I want the 7x7, but there are no Knock-offs or other alternative for this?

 

[tertius]

There will always be KO items coming out of China...

 

[Escher]

...And for the umpteenth time, Verdes makes another massive faux pas.

Way to alienate the most hardcore part of your market.

 

[Faz]

Ahaha good luck stopping us using them. Good thing I have 4

 

[Jukuren]

It's sort of easy to say you want to boycott v-cubes when you already have the 6-6 and 7-7.

I want the 7x7, but there are no Knock-offs or other alternative for this?

dont worry.... your not missin out on much... 7x7 sucks

 

[Nestor]

Ahaha good luck stopping us using them. Good thing I have 4

My third one is being ordered now

Good luck to Verdes trying to remove them from Chinese websites.

 

[SixSidedCube]

Ahaha good luck stopping us using them. Good thing I have 4

Ahaha, Faz, are you trying to wind Verdes up by putting "I use a Dayan Guhong cube." as your signature? If so, I think it'll work. ^_^

 

[Olivér Perge]

I think it's a shame that this can happen but I would like to clear something up. In my experience Professor Verdes himself is not likely responsible for these issues and he is not the leader of the company nor the man behind the company's strategy and policy (just like Ernő Rubik has not much to do with Rubik Studio), as his son does it "for him". As far as I know his son is not the most experienced business man out there and he is going for nothing but money and can do crazy things to get that.

And if this is the case:

- it's even a bigger shame, because it makes Mr. Verdes look stupid
- please stop calling the professor's name (he is a great mind, just remember how thankful everyone was when the V-series came out)
- blame the man who is responsible for this

But again, I might be wrong, these are just my thoughts about the case. If anyone knows the straight facts, please correct me!

V-Cube is most likely the worst cubing company is.

Let's make them race for title with Rubik Studio.

 

[Mr Cubism]

I want the 7x7, but there are no Knock-offs or other alternative for this?

You have PM!

 

[kastellorizo]

Today is the first day of this incident. Although I too am not happy with Verdes, I am going to wait it out a little and see if more information will be released.

Exactly, and as usual and always, impatience is the driving force for many people
in this forum. The time is more near that you think, and more would have been
said, if some of you had a better manner self-control.

As expected, many people hide behind their anonymity, and for those people their
own comments just turn back to them. And I am also talking about those who are not
anonymous, yet they enjoy to see others ridiculed by the anonymous mob (many of
whom traditionally support KOs - a coincidence?) and pretend nothing is happening.
Then, they "claim" that I am not responding. Would you? I guess this is a good reason
to refrain from posting updates in the future for this and other matters.

V-Cubes NEVER depended on the people who are impatient (and who already
buy KOs). So for them, instead of crying and complaining, making anonymous
comments, and trying to drag others to their own behaviours-pit, just wake up.
You won't do much serve to myself or to others, but to your own self.

In any case, I am catching a flight soon, and hopefully, you would understand
my words one day. I have no hard feelings for most of the people here, as many
are too young, and some of them are simply misguided by people who have absolutely
no idea of how hard it is to manufacture, or about patents (I also don't claim I do!).
I mean, if they can do better than Verdes, why not try to do something even
better and see how "easy" it is? (good question, isn't it? Words are always cheap).

And a patent is by definition a monopoly with an expiry date, which is
why it has so high risk and costs, so that it can properly protect an inventor.
Am I missing something here? Some of you pretend to be in denial, just to justify
your own "conclusions".

I am happy to meet anyone in Perth, Singapore (from Sunday) or early January
at the Hong Kong Toy Fair, to discuss this matter while sipping some nice fruit juice.
I am also attending (and organising) some speedsolving competitions with the help
of other friends, so we could also meet there.

I would like to end the same way I started: Patience. Things are almost there.
(and I am not talking about years or months, but weeks!)

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.


Pantazis


PS. For communication other than meeting, please use PMs. If you reply here, you
automatically prefer me to be confronted with some of the KO supporters (you know
they exist here behind their "complaints"). And as I am already doing this
face to face at the Toy Fairs, it is pointless to do this here, behind anonymity.

 

[Cubenovice]

And with the above post this thread can be closed...

 

[Fire Cuber]

That post was containing nothing.
I'm sure that man is also have the same impatient level as us. He would feel something like how we feel when he was the same case as us.

Well that man says "you're a KO supporters"

I'm pretty sure that peoples here are NOT KO supporters, just they don't like V things to be unfair to the speedcubing community.

 

[Winball]

It would really **** me off if v-cubes started to sell the GuHong (The exact same design).

 

[cisco]

And a patent is by definition a monopoly with an expiry date, which is
why it has so high risk and costs, so that it can properly protect an inventor.

That's the problem. Patents are good for 1 person, that makes money. And you know you protect it because you are doing business with it, too (for example, your cubedron being sold at v-cubes.com for $25)

Who will protect us as customers, from paying too high prices for puzzles, or even worst, from not being able to get them because they only exist designed in a paper so that nobody else can sell them?

 

[kastellorizo]

That's the problem. Patents are good for 1 person, that makes money. And you know you protect it because you are doing business with it, too (for example, your cubedron being sold at v-cubes.com for $25)

Who will protect us as customers, from paying too high prices for puzzles, or even worst, from not being able to get them because they only exist designed in a paper so that nobody else can sell them?

Protect you from what? From buying LUXURY items? Maybe if you had grown in a poor society or if you were born with
a defect, you would have seen some differences and appreciated what is really going on (obviously you are not!)
You love to defame others (but in the end you are just doing it to yourself). You should go to the MindStrat Puzzles website
to see what sort events we support (e.g. the sunwing event for children with special needs and others to be added).
But hey, I forgot, you are only interested in being protected from the "big bad" puzzle manufacturers who are after you...

That would be my last answer to you and to anyone else who loves to provoke others when I CLEARLY stated
in my previous post that for this matter PMs are the way to go. (Communication with people who don't understand
simple English, is impossible).


Pantazis


PS. Using the term "luxury item" is like hitting the nail on the head. I am surely expecting some panicking answers quoting
"irrelevance"/"off topic" as usual (avoiding facts, and without an explanation from their part, yet claiming one from me! - oh the irony!).
Especially those who avoid PMs, and want to show off here. In any case, everyone is allowed to have an opinion.
The insults to Verdes I referred to (despite some people being told already, but by deliberately trying to show how "right" they are,
they keep the argument alive and may ask three or more times), was in the first *unedited* comments of the YouTube video.
At least, it is good they are removed now by the uploader, but it still shows an alarming disrespect by those who commented.
As for Stefan, from my experience, he always wants to have the last word (didn't he see the post quoting the video changes?
well, he did, but maybe he thinks I did not!), so I guess I will let him do just that, to make all of us happy.
And I have won interstate awards (from student voting) in explaining advanced maths methods in many ways (where others
had failed miserably). I do not need any "opinions" from communication "experts" to tell me who I am and what I can do. So please...

 

[LearningCode]

Umm..
Questions.

What has LUXURY items, growing in a poor society or being born with a defect got to do with me seeing that Verdes is doing the right thing in banning GuHongs?
How does one or a couple of posts prove that an individual 'loves' to defame others?
What has MindStrat Puzzles Ptd. Ltd.'s involvement with charity got to do with being the good guy?

Also, ever thought that most of us don't wanna' provoke ANYONE but are forced to because of something so horrifyingly wrong that we just have to speak up?

Great apologies for this off-topic post.
I had wanted to order the GuHong Ultimate from Lubix today, but found that there was a patent issue and eBay + PayPal blah.
So I then read all 21 pages of this thread to hopefully get some real answers and updates on this whole Verdes debacle (A debacle in my opinion, at least.)

But it seems that there isn't much going on that's been posted up here.
It's a shame, really.
I have never tried a GuHong in my entire life =/

Also, patent signed.
Signature number 59!

 

[joey]

This forum isn't about helping charities or anything like that, it's about speedcubing, so a guhong is not a "LUXURY" item.

I'm glad you support charities, but it has no relevance to anything here.

 

[Litz]

Protect you from what? From buying LUXURY items

He's talking about consumer protection, which you clearly know nothing about. You keep going off-topic, talking about random stuff that doesn't prove or answer anything. I'm glad you understand communication with you is indeed, impossible.

 

[Rpotts]

That's the problem. Patents are good for 1 person, that makes money. And you know you protect it because you are doing business with it, too (for example, your cubedron being sold at v-cubes.com for $25)

Who will protect us as customers, from paying too high prices for puzzles, or even worst, from not being able to get them because they only exist designed in a paper so that nobody else can sell them?

You don't have a right to buy puzzles. Businesses have the right to sell puzzles, which gives consumers like you and me the opportunity to purchase puzzles. Protecting businesses protects consumers, if no one could patent their product and anyone could legally sell knockoffs then there would be no incentive to invent/produce new goods. Any rational person would realize their inventions would simply get reproduced/knocked-off more cheaply thus decimating the market share they deserved because they put the time/effort/capital into designing their product. Without the incentive to produce goods, the consumers would be left high and dry, with few companies willing to invest labor and capital into designing and selling new goods.

I do not believe Dayan infringed upon Verdes' patent and I think kastellorizo's arguments are unfounded.