Changes to the Weekly Competition website

White KB said:
I think, if there were a new event, that the best idea would be 8x8x8 with a mean of 3.

Also, there are a few events that have very few competitors, and so may need to be removed. Listed here are the events with under 100 people who have completed a non-DNF single:

6x6x6 Blindfolded - 29 people
7x7x7 Blindfolded - 19 people
Snake (Removed) - 11 people
4x4x4 Fewest Moves Challenge (Removed) - 9 people
Curvy Copter - 37 people
Face-Turning Octahedron - 53 people

I think we should keep all of them despite this, but thought that I should still put it out there, just in case.

Here's my full list of ideas for potential future events:
TOP CONTENDERS
8x8x8 Cube
Mastermorphinx
8x8x8 Blindfolded
POTENTIAL EVENTS
4x4x4 Multiple Blindfolded
3x3x3 Blindfolded, but with One Hand
2x2x2 Fewest Moves Challenge
Fisher Cube
Axis Cube
MISCELLANEOUS
Gear Cube
Pie/Domino Cube (basically 3x3x2)
Team Blind
Factory Solves

I hope that sparks some ideas. I really enjoy the weekly comp, so let me know what you guys think!
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While I always supported the removal of certain events (especially speed FMC), it doesnt seem to be worth the problems that come with it.
Imma be honest, the only event from that list that I would support even slightly is 233( or 223). All the other events have major reasons against it imo:

8x8,8x8 BLD, 4MBLD,2x2FMC are all pretty niche (Bld even more than normal) and they dont add anything really new. Fisher, Axis and Mastermorphix are just less popular shapemods then Mirror. BLD+OH is just one of these typical event mixes that just come down to people that are solid in both of them. Team Events are a shitton of work and thought to put in and I honestly dont like the thought of having to find other people to do the weekly with. Gearcube is just not complex enough and has bad hardware.
 
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White KB said:
I think, if there were a new event, that the best idea would be 8x8x8 with a mean of 3.

Also, there are a few events that have very few competitors, and so may need to be removed. Listed here are the events with under 100 people who have completed a non-DNF single:

6x6x6 Blindfolded - 29 people
7x7x7 Blindfolded - 19 people
Snake (Removed) - 11 people
4x4x4 Fewest Moves Challenge (Removed) - 9 people
Curvy Copter - 37 people
Face-Turning Octahedron - 53 people

I think we should keep all of them despite this, but thought that I should still put it out there, just in case.

Here's my full list of ideas for potential future events:
TOP CONTENDERS
8x8x8 Cube
Mastermorphinx
8x8x8 Blindfolded
POTENTIAL EVENTS
4x4x4 Multiple Blindfolded
3x3x3 Blindfolded, but with One Hand
2x2x2 Fewest Moves Challenge
Fisher Cube
Axis Cube
MISCELLANEOUS
Gear Cube
Pie/Domino Cube (basically 3x3x2)
Team Blind
Factory Solves

I hope that sparks some ideas. I really enjoy the weekly comp, so let me know what you guys think!
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8x8 sounds good.

I already enjoy doing 8x8 on the cubers.io weekly comp, although it does not happen every week.
 
Mike Hughey said:
Wow, very sorry. Just too much going on this week and I forgot to generate the scrambles. They're going up now.
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Ah don't be! We all got lives to live! I just thought it's all automated and maybe something gone wrong in the automation. Thank you for updating them on time for so many years, that's really impressive.
 
How strictly are we meant to follow the WCA rules? My brain occasionally blanks when competing and I am kinda annoyed to give myself DNFs for not starting the timer cause I was on the wrong tab. I just now did one solve on my OH cube for Guildford in 2 handed, undid it and properly started the OH solve. Are we allowed to give extras/still count these solves or not? I feel like competitors discretion could be going so far as to decide if an unfair advantage was gained but I would like to have some input on my opinion here cause I might be biased :)
 
ichcubegerne said:
How strictly are we meant to follow the WCA rules? My brain occasionally blanks when competing and I am kinda annoyed to give myself DNFs for not starting the timer cause I was on the wrong tab. I just now did one solve on my OH cube for Guildford in 2 handed, undid it and properly started the OH solve. Are we allowed to give extras/still count these solves or not? I feel like competitors discretion could be going so far as to decide if an unfair advantage was gained but I would like to have some input on my opinion here cause I might be biased :)
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This is a difficult question to answer. If I were to allow using discretion on anything within reason, there would be some here who would take that too far and we would get even more invalid results than we currently get on here. And that sort of thing has really been out of control lately, so I'd hate to do anything to encourage that even more.

My own approach, and one I think is probably a reasonable one to take, is this: if the cause of the problem is something that could have just as easily happened in a real competition as happened to you, then you should treat it as strictly as would be treated in a competition. So things like starting a OH solve in a mini-Guildford with both hands should probably be a DNF; it's true that it's not an official event, but if it were, the WCA would certainly consider that a DNF. A similar case I've had is with 3BLD where I forgot to start the timer before looking at the cube. I've had 2 DNFs in official WCA competitions like that; it only makes sense that should also be a DNF at home. (I can't believe how often I make that mistake!) And as a good example, clock DNFs are very common and should still count as DNFs at home, whether it's due to being off by one or due to solving to the wrong 12 o'clock (both of which I've done multiple times in online competition, and both of which I've done in official competitions).

On the other hand, if it's something due to weird conditions of solving at home, I think more discretion should be reasonable. If I have an FMC solve which was correct on paper, but I copied it into the computer incorrectly, I think it's perfectly reasonable to correct it and count it as a valid solve. If it was not written down correctly to begin with, that's different though - that should be a DNF. For your example of not starting the timer because you were on the wrong tab, that feels like something you should have another chance at, and I have done this. I think that should be treated as an extra; as I have said a couple of times before on here (probably many years ago), I think you should feel free to generate yourself an extra scramble if needed (using a decent scramble generator) for the sorts of things that would generate extras in a competition. I also think extras are perfectly reasonable for cases where the circumstances are something that are due to competing online and that could not have happened in a real competition.

I hope that seems reasonable, and I hope it helps.
 
Mike Hughey said:
This is a difficult question to answer. If I were to allow using discretion on anything within reason, there would be some here who would take that too far and we would get even more invalid results than we currently get on here. And that sort of thing has really been out of control lately, so I'd hate to do anything to encourage that even more.

My own approach, and one I think is probably a reasonable one to take, is this: if the cause of the problem is something that could have just as easily happened in a real competition as happened to you, then you should treat it as strictly as would be treated in a competition. So things like starting a OH solve in a mini-Guildford with both hands should probably be a DNF; it's true that it's not an official event, but if it were, the WCA would certainly consider that a DNF. A similar case I've had is with 3BLD where I forgot to start the timer before looking at the cube. I've had 2 DNFs in official WCA competitions like that; it only makes sense that should also be a DNF at home. (I can't believe how often I make that mistake!) And as a good example, clock DNFs are very common and should still count as DNFs at home, whether it's due to being off by one or due to solving to the wrong 12 o'clock (both of which I've done multiple times in online competition, and both of which I've done in official competitions).

On the other hand, if it's something due to weird conditions of solving at home, I think more discretion should be reasonable. If I have an FMC solve which was correct on paper, but I copied it into the computer incorrectly, I think it's perfectly reasonable to correct it and count it as a valid solve. If it was not written down correctly to begin with, that's different though - that should be a DNF. For your example of not starting the timer because you were on the wrong tab, that feels like something you should have another chance at, and I have done this. I think that should be treated as an extra; as I have said a couple of times before on here (probably many years ago), I think you should feel free to generate yourself an extra scramble if needed (using a decent scramble generator) for the sorts of things that would generate extras in a competition. I also think extras are perfectly reasonable for cases where the circumstances are something that are due to competing online and that could not have happened in a real competition.

I hope that seems reasonable, and I hope it helps.
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Thats a pretty good take imo. I DNFed my guildford and will use this guideline from now on :)
I have also started streaming my participation and ill may share the twitch, when I am a bit more used to streaming.
 
I wanna request a little quality of life change to the main website. Is it possible to make it so that we can organise the Competitions Page to have the events we currently do at the top and the event's we don't do at the bottom, kinda like a drag-and-drop sorting system. You keep your "main" events at the top and the event's you don't do at the bottom?

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I shrunk my font size so I could capture everything at once. It's a bit nitpicky, but I just want to have Megaminx, Skewb and 234 and 235 really at the top after OH.
 
Timona said:
I wanna request a little quality of life change to the main website. Is it possible to make it so that we can organise the Competitions Page to have the events we currently do at the top and the event's we don't do at the bottom, kinda like a drag-and-drop sorting system. You keep your "main" events at the top and the event's you don't do at the bottom?

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I shrunk my font size so I could capture everything at once. It's a bit nitpicky, but I just want to have Megaminx, Skewb and 234 and 235 really at the top after OH.
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Seems like a good idea, and I'll even add to that: We could have an event layout reset button that gets all the events back to their default positions, if people accidentally move one or just want to get back to normal. We could also have certain preset slots they can save so they can save their favorite layouts or orders. (I think a limit of 12 or so wouldn't be unreasonable.) There would also be a check box that would allow the current layout to apply to manual entry as well.

But what I think would be most beneficial is making a SpeedSolving Competition experience that's friendly for mobile users. That way, more people could enjoy it since a lot of things are becoming available on mobile now. Just my two cents, but I think it'd be great.
 
White KB said:
Seems like a good idea, and I'll even add to that: We could have an event layout reset button that gets all the events back to their default positions, if people accidentally move one or just want to get back to normal. We could also have certain preset slots they can save so they can save their favorite layouts or orders. (I think a limit of 12 or so wouldn't be unreasonable.) There would also be a check box that would allow the current layout to apply to manual entry as well.
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This is a nice idea, and I actually already played with that a couple of years ago. If you notice, you can already try to drag the tile, but when you release it, it doesn't actually do anything. I actually have special code right now just for my personal account that orders the events by putting the official WCA events first, then listing the others in the order of their popularity (number of competitors) from the previous week. It's interesting to watch what events are most/least popular each week.

The catch here is that I'd probably want something like the layouts stored on the server, rather than in local storage, so they would persist if you move to a different machine, which requires a little more work. (For that matter, it might be nice if the regular settings worked that way too, but there are potential problems with that, like that you might want different settings for mobile vs. non-mobile, and using local storage for that as I do today is actually a little better for mobile vs. non-mobile.)

White KB said:
But what I think would be most beneficial is making a SpeedSolving Competition experience that's friendly for mobile users. That way, more people could enjoy it since a lot of things are becoming available on mobile now. Just my two cents, but I think it'd be great.
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I actually always wanted to do this, and I actually put a lot of work in a while ago just to make it in its barely usable form for mobile users now. (It was completely impossible to use it from mobile before I worked on it, but I know it can be done now because I have competed in every event at least a few times from my phone. It's not easy, but it is possible! Even multiBLD, but I totally don't recommend that because the experience is really terrible there - even worse than the other events.) To really make it FRIENDLY for mobile users would take a ton of work; probably at least the timer page would have to be completely rebuilt from scratch. I'm afraid I don't have a lot of time right now to work on the site, which means it might still be a while (years - sorry) before I can get to this.
 
Mike Hughey said:
This is a nice idea, and I actually already played with that a couple of years ago. If you notice, you can already try to drag the tile, but when you release it, it doesn't actually do anything. I actually have special code right now just for my personal account that orders the events by putting the official WCA events first, then listing the others in the order of their popularity (number of competitors) from the previous week. It's interesting to watch what events are most/least popular each week.

The catch here is that I'd probably want something like the layouts stored on the server, rather than in local storage, so they would persist if you move to a different machine, which requires a little more work. (For that matter, it might be nice if the regular settings worked that way too, but there are potential problems with that, like that you might want different settings for mobile vs. non-mobile, and using local storage for that as I do today is actually a little better for mobile vs. non-mobile.)


I actually always wanted to do this, and I actually put a lot of work in a while ago just to make it in its barely usable form for mobile users now. (It was completely impossible to use it from mobile before I worked on it, but I know it can be done now because I have competed in every event at least a few times from my phone. It's not easy, but it is possible! Even multiBLD, but I totally don't recommend that because the experience is really terrible there - even worse than the other events.) To really make it FRIENDLY for mobile users would take a ton of work; probably at least the timer page would have to be completely rebuilt from scratch. I'm afraid I don't have a lot of time right now to work on the site, which means it might still be a while (years - sorry) before I can get to this.
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Hey, it's ok if you can't make the changes right now! I think you guys have already made the weekly comp super amazing. It's a whole lot better than cubingtime.com's weekly comp (which won't let you come back to the page to finish or delete solves, so as to prevent cheating, but has a continuing cheating problem despite this) and manage to make it lenient and fun. Cheating isn't a huge issue, and mobile weekly comp is at least usable at this point, with the only major issues being accidental timer starts while scrolling and not being able to see the whole scramble during manual entry because of the auto-zoom on iOS. Neither of these are overly detrimental and it's not too bad.
For ordering, I understand it'd be difficult to set it up on the servers / local storage bit since I only know HTML and could probably never figure something like that on my own, much less set it up. You guys are doing a great job already!
 
@Mike Hughey I'm curious, is there currently any way to see the overall Kinch Score rankings (as in all-time rankings, not just for the week)? I've been trying really hard to get my Kinch Score up to 50 (currently at 49.24) and I'd be curious to see how it ranks. If this would be too much work to implement please don't worry about it! I really appreciate all the work you've put into the site, as always :)
 
DGCubes said:
@Mike Hughey I'm curious, is there currently any way to see the overall Kinch Score rankings (as in all-time rankings, not just for the week)? I've been trying really hard to get my Kinch Score up to 50 (currently at 49.24) and I'd be curious to see how it ranks. If this would be too much work to implement please don't worry about it! I really appreciate all the work you've put into the site, as always :)
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I believe somewhere in the past 23 pages in this thread I have already mentioned that I would like to do this, but it would take some work and I haven't had time to do it yet. Someday I would like to add it to the overall rankings page, but I currently don't anticipate doing work like that anytime soon, sorry. Someday, hopefully!
 
Abram Grimsley said:
Or a tower cube like 3x3x4? It is fun to solve. (Though there is parity 😬)
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I got a 3x3x6 with my gigaminx (spend an extra $20 to save $7 on shipping, because I can solve a Rubik's cube so I'm good at math 😋) and I've been enjoying solving it. I'm not sure I would enjoy speedsolving it. There are a lot of cuboid possibilities, and even different ways of constructing cuboids that result in different bandaging and possible moves. Furthermore, we already have a shape-mod of a cuboid in Square-1.
 
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