[Help Thread] Algorithm Memorization Discussion

[Jaycee]

Can CLL be used on a 3x3 cube ?? and 4x4 ?

As TDM said,

2x2 CLL can't;

but there is another set of CLL algorithms that are 3x3-and-up-friendly. CLL/ELL is an alternative to OLL/PLL. I'm sure many of the algs from 2x2 CLL overlap with larger cubes CLL.

 

[TDM]

As TDM said,


but there is another set of CLL algorithms that are 3x3-and-up-friendly. CLL/ELL is an alternative to OLL/PLL. I'm sure many of the algs from 2x2 CLL overlap with larger cubes CLL.

Oh yeah, forgot about CLL for 3x3. Although as he asked for 4x4, and that type of CLL will give you an ELL with slice moves (many ELLs do), so imo COLL would be more useful to learn.

 

[Kirjava]

2x2 CLL can't

Sure it can, what are you talking about?

 

[TDM]

Sure it can, what are you talking about?

Once again, you're right... I should have explained myself more clearly. Many 2x2 CLL algs will unsolve at least some of the edges of the F2L (or F3L on 4x4 etc.), and so are unsuitable for use on cubes larger than 2x2 unless you are using a corners first method. Of course, some will be uesful, e.g. if you use Roux and the edges affected are in the M slice, but not all of them (for example F R2 U' R2 U' R2 U R2 F' will move DR into the U layer, so it won't work for Roux either).
(Is there something else I missed?)

 

[michaelcoholich]

Learning double spins

It's taken a few weeks, but I have almost full PLL memorized or in muscle memory. It usually takes me 2 or 3 days to learn a couple algorithms well and not mess them up and the ones I'm stuck on now are the double spins. The PLLs that permute the corners and edges in one alg. I can barely get them down while looking at the algorithm.

Tips anyone? I'm looking to finish PLL so I can get into F2L algs as F2L is a majority of time in my solves. In my PB not lucky solve of 29.15, at least 20 seconds was cross and F2L while OLL and PLL were the last 9.

 

[CuberAtCanada]

It's taken a few weeks, but I have almost full PLL memorized or in muscle memory. It usually takes me 2 or 3 days to learn a couple algorithms well and not mess them up and the ones I'm stuck on now are the double spins. The PLLs that permute the corners and edges in one alg. I can barely get them down while looking at the algorithm.

Tips anyone? I'm looking to finish PLL so I can get into F2L algs as F2L is a majority of time in my solves. In my PB not lucky solve of 29.15, at least 20 seconds was cross and F2L while OLL and PLL were the last 9.

I understand that the G-Perms are the hardest algorithms. The way I memorize my algorithms is by practicing them over and over again while looking at them, all the way until I can perform it fluently without looking at them. I admit that the G-Perms took me a while, but really, keep practicing until they register into your brain and them you can easily do all of them, as they are very similar. Just practice, and you will get it.

 

[penguinz7]

It's taken a few weeks, but I have almost full PLL memorized or in muscle memory. It usually takes me 2 or 3 days to learn a couple algorithms well and not mess them up and the ones I'm stuck on now are the double spins. The PLLs that permute the corners and edges in one alg. I can barely get them down while looking at the algorithm.

Tips anyone? I'm looking to finish PLL so I can get into F2L algs as F2L is a majority of time in my solves. In my PB not lucky solve of 29.15, at least 20 seconds was cross and F2L while OLL and PLL were the last 9.

I don't have much advice on double spins, but I would highly recommend not learning Algorithmic F2L, learn it intuitively instead. I think it'll be a lot easier to learn, and helps you understand how things move around the cube, and stuffs like that. I also think it's a lot easier to track pieces while using intuitive f2l then it is Algorithmic . Here is a video on Intuitive F2L that I think is pretty good. This is the video I learned from.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGeTtD4tB5w

 

[ElectricDoodie]

I don't have much advice on double spins, but I would highly recommend not learning Algorithmic F2L, learn it intuitively instead. I think it'll be a lot easier to learn, and helps you understand how things move around the cube, and stuffs like that. I also think it's a lot easier to track pieces while using intuitive f2l then it is Algorithmic . Here is a video on Intuitive F2L that I think is pretty good. This is the video I learned from.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGeTtD4tB5w

This. All this.
I started with intuitive F2L when in beginner method. Then after learning PLL, I started to learn algorithm F2L, which ruined me. It makes it so that you can only think about F2L in a certain way. I decided to do it intuitively, and it helped me completely. I understood how the pieces actually moved on the cube, how to get pieces where I wanted them, and am flexible with completing F2L in any way the cube is facing. There are only a very few cases where algs will help, cause they are weirdly positioned, and I memorized those.

The only thing I don't like is the monkeydude video, because I don't like monkeydude.

 

[thatboyahcubah]

What are your algorithm memorization techniques?

I'm (fairly) new to cubing and just now memorizing all of the OLLs, so to get them memorized more efficiently, what do you usually do when memorizing a new algorithm? Do you like learning new algs?

 

[Deleted member 36445]

I do the alg over and over again until I memorized it.

A good tip I could give you is: ask a friend to read the alg for you as you track the pieces and understand what the alg do to the cube. I taught my dad some algs this way.

Another tip is to break the alg into chunks of triggers. Write the alg down and put parenthesis around the triggers. This way you can learn an alg faster.

I also have another tip: if you cannot learn a particular alg, simply choose another one and until you memorise that case.

I don't like learning algs but I like when I learned a new one, if you know what I mean. Right now I'm learning COLL (except sune and antisune)

 

[thatboyahcubah]

I do the alg over and over again until I memorized it.

A good tip I could give you is: ask a friend to read the alg for you as you track the pieces and understand what the alg do to the cube. I taught my dad some algs this way.

Another tip is to break the alg into chunks of triggers. Write the alg down and put parenthesis around the triggers. This way you can learn an alg faster.

I also have another tip: if you cannot learn a particular alg, simply choose another one and until you memorise that case.

I don't like learning algs but I like when I learned a new one, if you know what I mean. Right now I'm learning COLL (except sune and antisune)

I haven't thought of the reading thing, I'll try that! And yes I know exactly what you mean, once an alg is memorized its very satisfying indeed

 

[TDM]

Do it again
and again
and again
and again
then do it without looking at the alg
then again
and again
then without looking at the cube
and again
and again
and again
etc

If you fail, go back to the start and repeat.

 

[thatboyahcubah]

Do it again
and again
and again
and again
then do it without looking at the alg
then again
and again
then without looking at the cube
and again
and again
and again
etc

If you fail, go back to the start and repeat.

wow man this helped a lot

 

[Deleted member 36445]

also watch this video:

 

[thatboyahcubah]

also watch this video:

its hard to memorize them (for me) in a order of easiest to hardest, I'd rather group them by shapes than that because recog is harder at first but thanks

 

[scottishcuber]

Do it again
and again
and again
and again
then do it without looking at the alg
then again
and again
then without looking at the cube
and again
and again
and again
etc

If you fail, go back to the start and repeat.

...then get out a stackmat and time yourself executing the alg
and again
and again
then do 10x in a row timed.
DONE

It works for me, I have learned hundreds of algs in the last year and I'm usually quite fast at executing them as well.

 

[thatboyahcubah]

...then get out a stackmat and time yourself executing the alg
and again
and again
then do 10x in a row timed.
DONE

It works for me, I have learned hundreds of algs in the last year and I'm usually quite fast at executing them as well.

and im struggling with OLL.. :O what alg set you learning?

 

[Lazy Einstein]

Triggers.

(R U R’ U) Sune Trigger
(R U R’ U’) Sexy Move
(R U R’ F’) Sexy Flick
(R’ F R F’) Sledge Hammer
and
Watching F2L pair insertions and removal.

As I got better I started noticing relationship between algs which helped me remember even better.

And then yes lol I practiced them a few times.

 

[scottishcuber]

and im struggling with OLL.. :O what alg set you learning?

Mostly EG for 2x2, but also COLL, OLLCP and far too many 4x4 OLL and PLL parity algs with ridiculous amounts of moves.

 

[thatboyahcubah]

Mostly EG for 2x2, but also COLL, OLLCP and far too many 4x4 OLL and PLL parity algs with ridiculous amounts of moves.

isn't EG like 254 algs? counting reflections?