Random Cubing Discussion

[guysensei1]

Random questions for random cubing discussion:
Which 1LLL case(s) takes the most moves optimally?
What is the god's number for edges solved, corners scrambled cases?
And finally,
What is the god's number for edges scrambled, corners solved cases?

 

[TDM]

What is the god's number for edges scrambled, corners solved cases?

20, superflip. Don't know the other answers though

 

[RjFx2]

I started when the WR was (and is) 5.55 seconds. My PB single only beats Jessica Fridrich's 4th place in 2003...

 

[yoinneroid]

Which 1LLL case(s) takes the most moves optimally?

R U R' B' U' R2 U2 R U F R U R2 U' F' B (16f*)

it has no inverse or mirror

found this by manually scanning the LL list, so might miss other 16 movers cases, or even longer cases
I took note of the 15 movers while scanning, that is until I found this case

 

[maps600]

The world record when I started was 5.66. Suddenly I don't feel like I've been cubing for very long My current PB single beats the WR before 7.08, but I'm still not even near a sub-7.08 single yet...

Teehee when I started it was 5.55. I'm a nub.

 

[guysensei1]

I just want to say that the weilong is amazing at resisting overlubing.

I had to lube it 3 times with weight 5 (yes, weight FIVE!) just to get it slow enough for me to use. And I think it's speeding back up again for some reason. Maybe I'm just getting used to it.

That's all.

EDIT: It sped back up again... Where did all the lube go?!

 

[DeeDubb]

I just want to say that the weilong is amazing at resisting overlubing.

I had to lube it 3 times with weight 5 (yes, weight FIVE!) just to get it slow enough for me to use. And I think it's speeding back up again for some reason. Maybe I'm just getting used to it.

That's all.

EDIT: It sped back up again... Where did all the lube go?!

man, I've had the opposite experience with my weilong and aolong. If I even slightly overlube, it gets crazy gummy... maybe you like a different feel than me.

 

[guysensei1]

man, I've had the opposite experience with my weilong and aolong. If I even slightly overlube, it gets crazy gummy... maybe you like a different feel than me.

Which is strange, because all of my friend's weilongs felt like my mini weilong: ultra smooth and controllable. Whereas mine is super fast and crunchy. :/

 

[brian724080]

Which is strange, because all of my friend's weilongs felt like my mini weilong: ultra smooth and controllable. Whereas mine is super fast and crunchy. :/

Is that because your friend's solved it a lot more than you have?

 

[guysensei1]

Is that because your friend's solved it a lot more than you have?

Probably.

I'll just use mine more. It got me many PBs so

 

[Nilsibert]

I think I'm gonna practice blue cross now for a week just for the fun of it. I've gotten pretty comfortable with yellow by now, so I figured I'd just try to move on to a third color. It's extremely confusing and I make a ton of mistakes, but I see it as an experiment and a fun challenge. If I can manage to get color neutral in however long it takes, ANYONE can.
I just hope I'll stick to it.

 

[IRNjuggle28]

On the 3x3 stage of solving a 5x5, I got the same F2L case all 4 times in a row, counting mirrors. It was the case that's solved with R U R' U' R U R', as well as the mirror of that. All four pairs. What are the odds of this?

I think I'm gonna practice blue cross now for a week just for the fun of it. I've gotten pretty comfortable with yellow by now, so I figured I'd just try to move on to a third color. It's extremely confusing and I make a ton of mistakes, but I see it as an experiment and a fun challenge. If I can manage to get color neutral in however long it takes, ANYONE can.
I just hope I'll stick to it.

I think it would be best to practice in color pairs. Work on blue and green at the same time. That way, you're getting used to the E layer color scheme instead of just the cross color.

 

[Lazy Einstein]

I think I'm gonna practice blue cross now for a week just for the fun of it. I've gotten pretty comfortable with yellow by now, so I figured I'd just try to move on to a third color. It's extremely confusing and I make a ton of mistakes, but I see it as an experiment and a fun challenge. If I can manage to get color neutral in however long it takes, ANYONE can.
I just hope I'll stick to it.

It's super fun. You'll be surprised how fast you get comfortable with it.

 

[Nilsibert]

I think it would be best to practice in color pairs. Work on blue and green at the same time. That way, you're getting used to the E layer color scheme instead of just the cross color.

I don't think so... The basic color scheme of blue has to "make sense" to me first I think, then green will be easier. I try to develop my ability to filter blue as a cross color. I did the same with yellow; I exclusively solved yellow for a 3-5 days or so, to make sure I develop that ability. And knowing the white on D color scheme so well made yellow easier since it's just the other way around.
I think working in pairs would also work, but sticking to one until I get comfortable with it makes a bit more sense to me.

It's super fun. You'll be surprised how fast you get comfortable with it.

Indeed it is! Started yesterday and already it's getting a bit easier. I'm still horrible at it, but at least I'm not completely lost all the time. The thing is that I've had rubiks cubes my whole life, and even when I figured out myself how to make one side(not layer) as a kid 15-20 years ago, it was always white. I sort of looked at it as obligatory. When I learned some version of LBL 10 years ago I stuck to white cross aswell. So basically I kinda go against what has been burned into my mind over my whole life so far, so I think I'll need some patience. Even yellow cross was pretty hard and I'm still not that great at it.
But as said, its a lot of fun, didn't think it would be.

 

[ryanj92]

I think I'm gonna practice blue cross now for a week just for the fun of it. I've gotten pretty comfortable with yellow by now, so I figured I'd just try to move on to a third color. It's extremely confusing and I make a ton of mistakes, but I see it as an experiment and a fun challenge. If I can manage to get color neutral in however long it takes, ANYONE can.
I just hope I'll stick to it.

This is precisely how I'm working towards CN. I agree that it is best to start with one of the pair, and then use the other after a while, for the reasons you said (getting familiar with the order of the E-layer colours)
After 1-2 weeks of light practise my green cross is only trailing my white+yellow by a couple of seconds at most, now, and I can get sub-15 singles on easy crosses (surely the whole point, right? ), and i'm throwing in some blue cross now also.
Also it is really fun isn't it, keeps you thinking

 

[Nilsibert]

This is precisely how I'm working towards CN. I agree that it is best to start with one of the pair, and then use the other after a while, for the reasons you said (getting familiar with the order of the E-layer colours)
After 1-2 weeks of light practise my green cross is only trailing my white+yellow by a couple of seconds at most, now, and I can get sub-15 singles on easy crosses (surely the whole point, right? ), and i'm throwing in some blue cross now also.
Also it is really fun isn't it, keeps you thinking

Well I could surely get faster with a single color, but CN is fun and can get you easy crosses
Also practising yellow made me sub 15 again on white, because I had to go slow, so it improved my lookahead.
I just like the idea of CN and it's a fun challenge. I got a bit bored with constant lookahead practice, and if it helps that too, then it's all the better.

 

[IRNjuggle28]

I don't think so... The basic color scheme of blue has to "make sense" to me first I think, then green will be easier. I try to develop my ability to filter blue as a cross color. I did the same with yellow; I exclusively solved yellow for a 3-5 days or so, to make sure I develop that ability. And knowing the white on D color scheme so well made yellow easier since it's just the other way around.
I think working in pairs would also work, but sticking to one until I get comfortable with it makes a bit more sense to me.

I suppose the reason our perspectives are different is that I've solved both white and yellow for the majority of the time I've been cubing, and I now have no bias at all between the two. If I were to attempt to become color neutral, working in color pairs would work well for me because I'm used to that, but I also see that what you're saying makes sense since you solved a fixed color.

 

[guysensei1]

With all this talk about CN, I wondered:
There are people neutral on 1 axis (2 colors for cross)
and people neutral on all axes (fully CN)

Is there any cuber who's neutral on 2 axes? (4 colors for cross)

 

[IRNjuggle28]

With all this talk about CN, I wondered:
There are people neutral on 1 axis (2 colors for cross)
and people neutral on all axes (fully CN)

Is there any cuber who's neutral on 2 axes? (4 colors for cross)

Yeah, there are a couple people who solve 4 cross colors. I think one had a user name of "jeff" followed by 5 random numbers. I remember 2 or 3 who do that.

As for that being neutral on 2 axes, rethink that. All CFOP users are neutral on the Y axis, unless you never rotate. (I know that's a bit different than what you meant, but still)

There are also many Roux users who are neutral on two axes.

 

[guysensei1]

Yeah, there are a couple people who solve 4 cross colors. I think one had a user name of "jeff" followed by 5 random numbers. I remember 2 or 3 who do that.

As for that being neutral on 2 axes, rethink that. All CFOP users are neutral on the Y axis, unless you never rotate. (I know that's a bit different than what you meant, but still)

There are also many Roux users who are neutral on two axes.

Lol yeah. I had no other way to explain it without it being all convoluted...

:fp

EDIT: I have no idea what I'm saying. I can't english today.