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I'm just not going to try arguing with him; there isn't much point. I'm thinking one of the main reasons why he's only interested in official results is his lucky 3x3 single that put him in the top 30 in the world. Even ignoring that, his arguments are ridiculous and he doesn't listen to anyone. There are some people on here that just can't accept they're wrong... and never will.
 
TDM said:
I'm just not going to try arguing with him; there isn't much point. I'm thinking one of the main reasons why he's only interested in official results is his lucky 3x3 single that put him in the top 30 in the world. Even ignoring that, his arguments are ridiculous and he doesn't listen to anyone. There are some people on here that just can't accept they're wrong... and never will.
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Except he said Ollie's 4BLD didn't matter because it was only a single....
 
Honestly...Sajwo,
You can't base who is the OVERALL best based on the WR. What about the previous SQ1 WR? That was not deserved and he certainly wasn't the best.
You're giving the Polish people such a bad image. Never met someone more stuck up on these forums.

Yes, I think I'm the overall best at 2x2. I don't have WR. Why? Because my last few comps have had absolute crap scrambles. Maybe if you knew anything about 2x2 you would understand that.
 
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Let me ask a new question. I'm quite aware you feel that Jonatan is superior to me and anybody else on planet earth who can solve skewb right now. If one day I magically got another comp with skewb, and happened to get WR, would I suddenly become the best skewb solver in your brain?
 
Kennan, you said, "You are too stupid to argue with"

...over 30 posts later and you're still here.

Kennan if you truly think you're that good at Skewb, then learn to ignore Sajwo. But I agree, official results are the most important medium.

The world record holder obviously can handle comp pressure better than you (maybe because he has things in his life other than cubing? Not trying to be mean but it's all you do all day)

I think saying Rami>Chris is very different. They have both proven to be very fast, Chris is only 0.02 off the world record, his ao1000 isn't 60% of his comp times, it's almost the exact same.

There have been too many cheaters and liars to disregard a medium (comp solves) as proof for skill.

So Kennan just leave this thread now, you're arguing that you're as good as someone with SEVERAL sub 5 official skewb averages. Don't say "I've only had one chance". His WORST Skewb average was 6.14 out of 16 averages since you got your 8.xy average. Your BEST has been 8.xy

Sajwo and Przemek may come off blunt, but they're basing their opinions off facts. You're just being emotional.


Now on a completely unrelated note, Riley Woo now has the 3x3 UWR! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6s9l7kgwRM&feature=youtu.be

It was a misscramble, and extremely lucky so no point seriously counting it as UWR, but still pretty cool
 
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Tim Major said:
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oh joy, I get to deal with you and your crap again. Official results ARE important, but they by no means solely define somebody's skill level. Take Drew as an example. His ao100 is not much slower than mine (5.05?), but his average in comp isn't sub 6. You're going to say the averages are closer than mine are. That's true, but my point remains the same.

Next, when it comes to comp nerves, I handle them just fine. Dixon was particularly bad because of pretty bad scrambles and overall nervousness for the specific event. After all, it was my first round of skewb ever. So, saying I have no life and I only cube is completely false. Most of my life is actually school/music related, contrary to popular belief.

You mention both Chris and Rami proving to be very fast. I agree completely, but look at how many chances they've had to prove themselves. I have had exactly one round of skewb, and I was barely even sub 6. If you mean to tell me that's not a disadvantage, you have brain damage of some kind. If you don't believe my times I honestly don't care. You like giving me crap for stuff either way, I'll just deal with it because I know the times are not fake.

I'm not arguing that I am as good as the WR holder. I'm stating it as fact. I hold the UWRs. Fact enough for you? I'm saying I have only had one chance, because, let's be real. I'VE ONLY HAD ONE CHANCE. It was nerve-racking, and you're still forgetting about the aspect of luck (which I did not get). Also note, he has had 16 averages since my piece of trash. If that's not saying enough as to why he has a better average than I do, I'm not sure what will. You say that my best has been 8.04. My ONLY has been 8.04. I'm not gonna lie, the average sucks.

Sajwo and Przymek are being stupid, just as you are right now. The only facts they accept are official ones. The point they're trying to make (and you now also) is like trying to say Bill Wang was worse than Antoine at 3x3 before he got NAR. He posted lots of sub 8, even some sub 7. Did you not believe him simply because he didn't have a chance to compete? That's the same as calling me fake/not fast at skewb. I hold the UWRs, so what if I haven't gotten to compete yet? I was barely sub 6 when I did my official skewb average. I have another question. Who do you think the fastest pyra solver in the world is? You automatically say Drew, they'll say it's oscar roth andersen. So yes, they are saying things based on facts, but they are completely ignoring unofficial times which are half of it. My ao100 is less than the current WR ao5, and you mean to tell me I'm not in the same league? The logic just doesn't add up. I'm not being emotional in the slightest. I'm defending skills I have worked hard to reach.
 
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kclejeune said:
You automatically say Drew, they'll say it's oscar roth andersen.
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Oh, I didn't know I'd say that. Considering Odder said on cubecast that he averages 2.7 or something, I see no reason to think that Drew is faster. If Drew's PB ao100 is 2.5~ then I assume Drew is slower than 2.7 (though this may be wrong)

You get so angry about it, and very defensive. Just stop going everywhere going on about how good you are at Skewb if you haven't backed it up in comp. For example, Antoine got NAR and your comment? "those scrambles look so easy".

Anyway have fun debating against people who don't agree with you and won't change their minds, I've heard it's productive.
 
This is the stupidest thing I've seen on here in forever. Tim, do you even believe in the points you're arguing for? Because you seem like you're just playing devil's advocate. If anything, I'd rather think that you're just overly confrontational than that you actually believe the BS you're arguing in favor of. Sure, some of the things that Kennan said could rub people the wrong way. That doesn't do anything to change how fast he is. And your only response to Kennan pointing out that AO100 is more telling than a single AO5 was to imply that he was a cheater.

I can't tell if Sajwo and Przemek are trolling or not, but they're full of ****.
 
My two cents: I believe most of the peoples times they post here (including kclejeunes times) are real, BUT I think the official competition times ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT in measuring who is the best. After all that's why we have competitions. To compete and find out who is the fastest (also for fun ofcourse :) ).

I think so mainly because just like in any other sport you have to "prove"(even tough I believe peoples unofficial times) that you are better than your opponent in official competition. Nobody really cares how good you are when practising by yourself, you must do well in competitions. That's one of the great things in many sports: you have to do well in the right place and time.

Again just my opinion. You are free to agree/disagree if you want.
 
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My two cents: I believe most of the peoples times they post here (including kclejeunes times) are real, BUT I think the official competition times ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT in measuring who is the best. After all that's why we have competitions. To compete and find out who is the fastest (also for fun ofcourse :) ).

I think so mainly because just like in any other sport you have to "prove"(even tough I believe peoples unofficial times) that you are better than your opponent in official competition. Nobody really cares how good you are when practising by yourself, you must do well in competitions. That's one of the great things in many sports: you have to do well in the right place and time.

Again just my opinion. You are free to agree/disagree if you want.
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This guy basically summed up my entire view. I don't think Kennan is lying, but official results>unofficial
 
The thing is, if someone has a lot more opportunities to compete than someone else, then of course they will have a much higher chance to do better. It's simple statistics. I think the competition is important, and determined the official world record holders, but a world record holder is not necessarily the "best" at any given event. Like the thing with Yu Da Hyun. If Ilkoo had hopped on a plane and made the event official, she has the WR single in mega, but since he didn't, she doesn't. Does Ilkoo's ability to come to Korea make Da Hyun a better/worse solver? Of course not, but by some definitions here, it does.
 
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The thing is, 1. if someone has a lot more opportunities to compete than someone else, then of course they will have a much higher chance to do better. It's simple statistics. I think the competition is important, and determined the official world record holders, 2. but a world record holder is not necessarily the "best" at any given event. Like the thing with Yu Da Hyun. If Ilkoo had hopped on a plane and made the event official, she has the WR single in mega, but since he didn't, she doesn't. 3. Does Ilkoo's ability to come to Korea make Da Hyun a better/worse solver? Of course not, but by some definitions here, it does.
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1. Yeah, of course someone who goes to a competitions a lot has more chances to do better times officially, but that's just how it goes.

2. This is true. A world record holder is not necessarily the best at that event at that moment. For example Sergei Pubka isn't the best Pole Vault jumper in the world today, obviously, buut he is still the world record holder as long as someone will break his record in an OFFICIAL COMPETITION, not in practise comps or training camps.

3. No, it does make her a better/worse cuber. But if Usain Bolt doesnät compete in Olympic games he can't break WR there or win the olympic champion title. Da Hyun is clearly VERY good at mega, but someone else has done it faster OFFICIALLY. That's just part of any sport really. If you don't compete you can't win.
 
I don't think anyone disputes the importance of official records. By definition, they are the only objective measure of who is the best. But in reality, competitions are infrequent and do not always reflect a person's true ability. Which is why we look at other evidence such as CRs, NRs, whether the person has won any major competitions such as the WC, unofficial times, contributions to the community, ability to cope under pressure, etc. Which is what this argument was about?

I'm also fairly sure Sawjo was trolling. I hope...
 
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I don't think anyone disputes the importance of official records. By definition, they are the only objective measure of who is the best. But in reality, competitions are infrequent and do not always reflect a person's true ability. Which is why we look at other evidence such as CRs, NRs, whether the person has won any major competitions such as the WC, unofficial times, contributions to the community, ability to cope under pressure, etc. Which is what this argument was about?

I'm also fairly sure Sawjo was trolling. I hope...
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I kind of agree but I still think that saying "I have xx:xx average at home unofficially" is kind of like usain bolt saying "I ran 100m in 9.20s a week ago at practise". Ok, good for you but now do it in real competition...

Also I completely agree with bolded part. That was just stupid and arrogant behaviour.
 
Tim Major said:
Oh, I didn't know I'd say that. Considering Odder said on cubecast that he averages 2.7 or something, I see no reason to think that Drew is faster. If Drew's PB ao100 is 2.5~ then I assume Drew is slower than 2.7 (though this may be wrong)
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If Odder averaged 2.7 wouldn't he have UWR ao100..?
Next, I didn't say Antoine's scrambles looked easy to degrade his record. I was stating it as fact, and I still have great respect for his solving. He fully deserves the record.
"Anyway have fun debating against people who don't agree with you, I hear it's productive."
That's like all you do on these forums anyway..

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This guy basically summed up my entire view. I don't think Kennan is lying, but official results>unofficial
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And the point I'm trying to make to you is that I haven't had the chance to get the oh so important official results. Since Dixon, I have not had a comp with skewb within a 12 hour radius. I've improved greatly, and I will no doubt smash my current average with the next one I get.
 
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