How to be sub 20

[MeshuggahX]

Okay, Ive finished with my PLL. Should I learn all the F2L algorithms or find better intuitive moves?

I think you should do intuitive moves. I would think that it's easier to be flexible and understand the F2L step that way. But you could always watch how other would solve certain cases and check tips and algorithms for the "Pain-in-the-ass"-cases.

 

[Cheese11]

Okay, Ive finished with my PLL. Should I learn all the F2L algorithms or find better intuitive moves?

Start on OLL

 

[Godmil]

Okay, Ive finished with my PLL. Should I learn all the F2L algorithms or find better intuitive moves?

Do both, look at all the algs and see exactly what they're doing, then you should be able to do them mirrored each way for whatever slot they need to go into.
And yeah, learn OLL at the same time

 

[Juju]

I'll second that you should learn OLL at the same time as refining F2L. It's not like F2L and OLL are competing with each other. The sooner you learn full OLL the sooner your recognition and execution of OLL will go down.

 

[jaywong88]

i'm still learning PLL for G Permutation a-d..hard to recognize the pattern..lol..but still practice make perfect..
F2L keep working..OLL, after the PLL will start doing full OLL..

 

[FatBoyXPC]

Jaywong88: If you use the standard G perm algorithms then you should always put headlights on the Left face. From here you can easily recognize how to start the alg ,and muscle memory should kick in after that.

You have 4 cases, the bar will be in: Back, Front, Right pointing to Back, Right pointing to Front.

In the case of back/front bar, you do R2 then a the u or u' to move the right edge toward the bar. So bar in back would be R2 u', bar in F would be R2 u.

Right bar: I think of this as removing the FR or BR slot, in the direction the bar is pointing. So bar in R pointing to F you do R U R', bar in right pointing to B you do R' U' R.

Hope that helped

 

[JCVP11]

Hi Guys.. I have just joined this forum today..
My avg on the 3x3 is 26 seconds.. do u think I should start learning full pll and oll to get faster?
Thank You

 

[Godmil]

Hi Guys.. I have just joined this forum today..
My avg on the 3x3 is 26 seconds.. do u think I should start learning full pll and oll to get faster?
Thank You

Welcome to the forums. Yes... You'll probably want to learn them eventually, so you may aswell do it sooner rather than later... as long as you're happy doing that... it's important to keep it fun

 

[BrainOfSweden]

Wow, I learned F2L and OLL,PLL much earlier compared to other recommendations...I started F2l when I averaged about 1min40seconds. And I started Full-look OLL and Full look PLL when I averaged around a minute. I've heard people say to start learning F2L when you average under 50....Why is that? Is it better for the long term if I start Fridrich method late?

I think it's good to start with it early. After all, F2L can be completed intuitively, thus making it very easy to learn. For some people it might be easier to learn new algs, and I recall learning 2LPLL and 2LOLL faster than F2L, but with F2L, it was all about understanding. OLL and PLL was just drilling, drilling, drilling. So to sum it up I'd say it depends on your personal preferences. If you learn F2L when you Sub-2 minutes, great. If you wait until you reach Sub-50, well also great.

 

[skeletonboy]

I think it's good to start with it early. After all, F2L can be completed intuitively, thus making it very easy to learn. For some people it might be easier to learn new algs, and I recall learning 2LPLL and 2LOLL faster than F2L, but with F2L, it was all about understanding. OLL and PLL was just drilling, drilling, drilling. So to sum it up I'd say it depends on your personal preferences. If you learn F2L when you Sub-2 minutes, great. If you wait until you reach Sub-50, well also great.

I think I figured out with previous threads and posts but thank you for replying! I appreciate it since that was a old un-answered question!

 

[jaywong88]

i doing F2L abuat 6 months..my pb 16.84s, my av still around 28-29s,
this forum (the advice to become sub 20 ) really cool but i think we still need practice a lot,
my question is if we already in the right patch doing F2L, how long do we have to practice so that can become sub 20??

 

[sprout]

i slow down and look ahead, but still average 14 seconds for f2l

 

[Chrisalead]

One thing people often forgot is to be able to insert F2L in any slot from anywhere (when it is possible without cube rotation of course). When I was averaging around 23s it really helped me to decrease my times a lot ! It's really important.

 

[sukesh12]

actually 11 second f2l helps. I'm slow cos my last layers are pretty long. Any suggestions for my improvement?

 

[JLarsen]

Are you slow at recognition or execution? Both? What last layer system are you using? 2 look? 3 look?

An easy way to practice is to apply two or more random OLLs or PLLs and then try to recognize + execute whatever case you generate. PLL time attacks are good too. Or, you can just try to pick out the algs you're slow at and drill them for a while. Maybe even try to come up with some new executions or learn some better algs.

 

[skeletonboy]

actually 11 second f2l helps. I'm slow cos my last layers are pretty long. Any suggestions for my improvement?

Try learning a faster recognition. There are many techniques on recognizing perms like G perms...eh. Another way is just to practice it over and over again until you are comfortable with the recognition, soon you'll be very quick with it.
Are you using 2LLL, 3LLL or 4LLL? Of course lower looks would be better, but it does take a long time to memorize, this point is kind of obvious.

 

[ThomasJE]

actually 11 second f2l helps. I'm slow cos my last layers are pretty long. Any suggestions for my improvement?

Try the Last Layer Competition. It's basically where you solve the last layer as quick as possible. For this round's scrambles, click here. There are 2H and OH categories. The round ends tomorrow, though; then a new round will start.

 

[CoryThigpen]

I recently started doing this for quicker F2L:
Instead of a (y') cube rotation for when you need to insert into the FR slot, do a (y) instead and insert into the BL slot. You will find your next pair much faster. Here's a setup: R U R' U' R U2 R' L U' L' y'. Rather than a y' R U R' do a y L U L' and you'll see the last pair right away. Hope this helps some. Good luck.

 

[Eileen]

Nice Thread! I found lot of helpfull replys in here!
I have a question... I can be single times sub20 but not constantly... and I try to be sub20 every time but that don't work. When I see other cubers... they cubing not as long as be but have better times and I can't be sub20 >_< I don't know how to be constantly sub20... any ideas? How can you be constantly sub20? What helps you?

 

[nightpegasus738]

Very helpful!
But I try my best and have got just 4 times sub-20. 18.59, 19.27, 19.44 and 19.81 (the signature won't change)
I always get times of sub-25 but above 20.
I need some more help!