Fridrich 3x3: OLL cross first?

[userman]

When I do OLL`s at a 3x3x3, do I need a cross on that face first?

 

[Stefan]

No.

 

[ianography]

if youre doing 2-look oll, then yes, but if you're not, then no. i find 2-look a lot easier than learning all those other oll algorithms.

 

[Stefan]

if youre doing 2-look oll, then yes

Wrong.

 

[da25centz]

if you're doing 2-look OLL, yes
otherwise, no
thats the whole point of OLL, to turn the entire face yellow fro whatever case you may have after your F2L

EDIT:Ninja'd

 

[userman]

Who is right..?

 

[Kirjava]

Stefan is correct.

Getting the cross on top is a common method, but not a requirement for solving last layer orientation.

 

[Zeat]

Wrong.

why wrong? you are wrong.

 

[bobso2]

why wrong? you are wrong.

nope, you are wrong

you don't need a cross on the top face for 2Look OLL, it's a step of the 2look OLL

 

[Hiero]

Watch a dang video on OLL, maybe by badmephisto. This is going to degenerate into a theoretical discussion of whether black is a color or not and be no help to you at all.

 

[Cubenovice]

Although most people start 2 look OLL with the edges (= making the cross), you could just as well start with the corners.

 

[Kirjava]

newfags can't CO EO

(this thread made me think of other things for 2LOLL actually, aside from EOCO and COEO other possibilites include 1x2x2block->everything and 2CO&2EO twice)

 

[Stefan]

This is nothing like the black thing. Here the answer is completely clear. You do not "need" to make the cross first, as you can obviously do OLL in one step, or orient corners first and then edges, or for example do SuneOLL.

 

[Johan444]

ITT bored people

 

[userman]

Okay. I am a bit confused, but how do I get the cross in one algorithm then? I don`t want to repeat F U R Ui Ri Fi 5 times..

 

[Cubenovice]

F R U R' U' F' , f R U R' U' f' or both for the dot cases...

I Highly suggest looking up some tutorials on 2 LOLL

 

[Stefan]

Why would you do that 5 times? That has the exact same effect on the edges as doing it just 2 times.

 

[EricReese]

Are there really that many people denying this? you do not need to have any edges oriented to do OLL.

seriously people?

 

[Ranzha]

For 2-look OLL, there are two steps. The first (traditionally) is edge orientation, in which you get the cross on U. There are four cases, and each of them can be solved with (F R U R' U' F') or a variant.

Dot case: F R U R' U' S R U R' U' f'.
"L" case: F U R U' R' F'.
Bar case: F R U R' U' F'.
Cross case: Solved cross on top.

This should solve your problems.

 

[userman]

For 2-look OLL, there are two steps. The first (traditionally) is edge orientation, in which you get the cross on U. There are four cases, and each of them can be solved with (F R U R' U' F') or a variant.

Dot case: F R U R' U' S R U R' U' f'.
"L" case: F U R U' R' F'.
Bar case: F R U R' U' F'.
Cross case: Solved cross on top.

This should solve your problems.

Thats what I meant sorry for saying 5 instead of 3..