[Help Thread] ZZ and ZB Discussion

Hey all,

I´m new to the forums and I am using now two methods: CFOP and ZZ. Actually the most recent average I done is a 17.53 of 12 with ZZ. In moment I´m a lil bit slower with CFOP than with ZZ, but I don´t know if I should switch to ZZ. I don´t know wether I can get as fast times with ZZ as I can get with CFOP plus my Inspection with ZZ is very long (4 up to 18 secs)

Plz help me to decide :).
 
CubeNoobie said:
Hey all,

I´m new to the forums and I am using now two methods: CFOP and ZZ. Actually the most recent average I done is a 17.53 of 12 with ZZ. In moment I´m a lil bit slower with CFOP than with ZZ, but I don´t know if I should switch to ZZ. I don´t know wether I can get as fast times with ZZ as I can get with CFOP plus my Inspection with ZZ is very long (4 up to 18 secs)

Plz help me to decide :).
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You'll be able to get the same times, you'll just progress slower. I think Fridrich gets boring after a while though. Build the cross, 4 different algorithms, 1 algorithm, another algorithm.
 
Anonymous said:
Is there any reason not to have a fixed F/B color when solving with ZZ?
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No. It just makes it easier to recognize which edges are good/bad. Like when I am solving i always look for red/orange, because my F/B colors are blue/green.

I guess it would kind of be like being color neutral, if you get used to it, it can be useful.
 
I'd be extremely impressed if someone could take advantage of color neutrality in ZZ. Easy crosses can be spotted very quickly. I don't think the same holds for easy EOLines.
 
Got my last exam in 7 hours, which means I can soon begin to learn zz. I've been giving it some thought lately, and zzll sounds interesting. Useful for oh solves as well. How is your phasing going? Do you loose time, or does ot flow naturally after some time..?
 
Sorry, just to be clear, I wasn't asking about full color neutrality, but if for instance I decide white's always on the bottom and yellow's always on the top, is there any clear advantage to not going further and always choosing a fixed front color and back color?
 
20 day bump!

I'm sort of kind of interested in cubing again, and just want to let you guys know that I'm learning my colls over the next 2 weeks (finally), and also developing the idea of colour neutrality and ZZ. Which was inspired by me cubing.

I still average like 30 with ZZ lulz.

I also just wanted to bump this awesome thread.
 
i can now do zz <R,U,L> f2l! eoline is just easy...for me it's about 3-5 seconds...a lot faster than the cross...but the rest of the f2l isn't. it's hard to look ahead in here...but it can be fast. i'm learning COLL already...2 algs finished!
 
Anonymous said:
Sorry, just to be clear, I wasn't asking about full color neutrality, but if for instance I decide white's always on the bottom and yellow's always on the top, is there any clear advantage to not going further and always choosing a fixed front color and back color?
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I think it would be a good idea to be dual colour for ZZ. I would always place red/orange on the sides and either white or yellow on top. It makes recognition a lot easier during inspection.
 
[abc]toshiro;403955 said:
...but the rest of the f2l isn't. it's hard to look ahead in here...
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Tips for ZZF2L Lookahead:

* Partially hidden edges - learn to identify them through elimination
* Partially hidden corners - ensure you can 'see' 6/8 corners at all times. See: Coracle
* EOLine-F2L transition - basically concentrate on F2L during EOLine - don't 'check' your line edges
* Flexibility - On 1x2x2 blocks be willing to use either a D-face or an E-slice edge for the initial 1x1x2
* No looking at B/D - rotations are bad, use R/L moves to find pieces if you need to
* Completed 1x2x2's - lookahead becomes much easier if the initial 1x2x2's occupy the back slot. If an initial 1x2x2 belongs in the front, temporarily placing it at the back (using R' or L) will allow more edges to be visible.

More detail here: http://www.speedsolving.com/forum/showthread.php?p=391402#post391402

EDIT: Added these to the ZZ tutorial here: http://cube.crider.co.uk/index.php#lookahead


riffz said:
Anonymous said:
Sorry, just to be clear, I wasn't asking about full color neutrality, but if for instance I decide white's always on the bottom and yellow's always on the top, is there any clear advantage to not going further and always choosing a fixed front color and back color?
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I think it would be a good idea to be dual colour for ZZ. I would always place red/orange on the sides and either white or yellow on top. It makes recognition a lot easier during inspection.
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Yep, dual colour is easily dooable because EO is the same. Once you've figured out your EO exec options you have two possible lines to choose from. I've practised it a bit, but I'm not consistently using it because I'm training other aspects of my solve. I probably will be using it in future though...
 
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