Magnetic vs non magnetic

[Izaden]

Ok, thank you
Does anyone know what's the size and strength of the magnets used in the Valk 3 M ?

It is stated to have light-medium magnet strength, but I cannot find anywhere that states the actual neo rating (N) of the magnets.

 

[Llewelys]

Ok, thank you ! I'm going to go with this

 

[Mody]

Actually there is ! People use N35, N38, etc all the way up to N52 (the higher the number the stronger the magnets)
So I'm asking if someone knows that number

I know there is I meant there is no way to Measure magnets in a cube installed by a factory

 

[Zarxrax]

Buying a magnetic cube vs doing it yourself, is one way better than the other?

 

[jo1215]

Buying a magnetic cube vs doing it yourself, is one way better than the other?

doing it yourself is cheaper and allows you to customize the strength to fit your preferences, getting it from the factory is more convenient

 

[AbsoRuud]

doing it yourself is cheaper and allows you to customize the strength to fit your preferences, getting it from the factory is more convenient

Agreed 100%.

 

[Llewelys]

I know there is I meant there is no way to Measure magnets in a cube installed by a factory

Oh yeah ok, sorry I was asking because maybe someone knew, either by knowing someone working at the cubicle / scs, or by experimenting with magnets and finding that a certain neo rating was closest to what is used in the Valk

 

[Llewelys]

Update: I wasn't sure whether I'd like having magnets in my cube so I bought the weakest ones (4x1 N35).
I glued them trying not to mess up polarity and I succeeded on all of them except one, but I managed to take it out and put it back correctly.
I did a few turns and it was immediate: do not buy 4x1 N35 magnets, they are way too weak it's like they're barely there.
I had to turn extremely slowly to feel them: my solves are usually around 3 TPS (mainly because of pauses but that's another story) so imagine what I mean by extremely slowly.

So I thought "well, I managed to take out a magnet when the glue had dried (the one with the wrong polarity), I can take them all out and put stronger magnets instead". So I bought 4x1.5 and 4x2 N35 magnets.

Boy was I wrong, I barely succeeded in taking 3 magnets out. I tried acetone, using a screwdriver, soaking the pieces in hot soapy water for a few hours, it did nothing.

So I did the only thing I could think of: gluing the 4x1.5 magnets on top of the 4x1 magnets.

It took a few hours but the strength is fine for me, I'm happy with the result and in the end it was a fun experience!

 

[xyzzy]

So I did the only thing I could think of: gluing the 4x1.5 magnets on top of the 4x1 magnets.

For future reference: you actually don't even need to glue them; just let the additional magnets sit on top of the ones you've already glued.

Also, this is kinda subjective, but I think it's most useful to think about magnets as improving stability, rather than providing that oh-so-satisfying little snap at the end of each turn. It's absolutely fine if you can't "feel" the magnets when turning quickly, as long as they're doing their job of stabilising the cube. (Of course, if you're magnetising your cube only for the satisfying snaps, rather than to improve performance, then feel free to ignore this.)

 

[GAN 356 X]

Update: I wasn't sure whether I'd like having magnets in my cube so I bought the weakest ones (4x1 N35).
I glued them trying not to mess up polarity and I succeeded on all of them except one, but I managed to take it out and put it back correctly.
I did a few turns and it was immediate: do not buy 4x1 N35 magnets, they are way too weak it's like they're barely there.
I had to turn extremely slowly to feel them: my solves are usually around 3 TPS (mainly because of pauses but that's another story) so imagine what I mean by extremely slowly.

So I thought "well, I managed to take out a magnet when the glue had dried (the one with the wrong polarity), I can take them all out and put stronger magnets instead". So I bought 4x1.5 and 4x2 N35 magnets.

Boy was I wrong, I barely succeeded in taking 3 magnets out. I tried acetone, using a screwdriver, soaking the pieces in hot soapy water for a few hours, it did nothing.

So I did the only thing I could think of: gluing the 4x1.5 magnets on top of the 4x1 magnets.

It took a few hours but the strength is fine for me, I'm happy with the result and in the end it was a fun experience!

Sometimes after much research and fretting just jumping in and winging is the way to go! I do that with cross sometimes, and when I first lubed my cubes

 

[iamtolazytonamethis]

i like rubik's brand

 

[VIBE_ZT]

I prefer magnets 99% of the time.

My current 3BLD main is the GAN Air Pro, and I almost like it more without magnets. The M slices are super smooth and I think that might be better in the case of 3BLD.

 

[Mischiiii]

There is no doubt that magnetic puzzles are better for almost everyone. There is no world record from 2x2 - 7x7 that was set with a non magnetic cube. There aren’t even real flagship cubes without magnets anymore (moyu gan qiyi)

 

[xyzzy]

There aren’t even real flagship cubes without magnets anymore (moyu gan qiyi)

Just so you don't shift goalposts: what do you mean by "flagship"?

 

[kubesolver]

what do you mean by "flagship"?

I think it's generally understood as the newest, the best, the most advertised and most recommended (if money is not an issue) puzzle from a given manufacturer. Old puzzles or budget puzzles are not flagships.

 

[AbsoRuud]

I think it's generally understood as the newest, the best, the most advertised and most recommended (if money is not an issue) puzzle from a given manufacturer. Old puzzles or budget puzzles are not flagships.

GAN X can be without magnets. MoYu WR is without magnets. Those are flagships.

 

[kubesolver]

I know that we get into derail but is GAN X actually still a flagship? Since XS has been released I would consider it an old puzzle. Don't know about MoYu.

Edit: Oh wait. Do you mean that you can actually remove the magnets? That doesn't invalidate the statement that "There aren’t even real flagship cubes without magnets".

 

[Mischiiii]

yep. Gan XS is is the most current flagship. And there isn’t a option for non magnetic anymore. Also the WR M has still magnets in it. At least the one i I have has magnets inside even though they are very weak.

My point is just that most manufacturers and speedcubers have come to the conclusion that magnets are better. Those who stick to non magnetic probably just have difficulty adjusting to the new feeling you habe with a magnetic. But those can always go to something like the WR M in my opinion as theae magnets are really subtle.

 

[AbsoRuud]

The MoYu WR has no magnets.

 

[Mischiiii]

The MoYu WR has no magnets.

Ah okay. Never knew there was a non magnetic version. Maybe because nobody i follow uses it xD

edit: just to be 100% clear: I said magnets are better for ALMOST everyone. And also the term “the best/better” just means that 95% would agree with that.There are always some people with very exotic/specific tastes. dont wanna offend anyone here.