[Help Thread] Roux Discussion and Help

what is the average movecount for CMLL?

and what is the average movecount for 4c?

i'm guessing 10 and 5?
 
So I have decided to switch to roux for quite a few reasons such as you can have slow TPS and still get good times, less algorithms, better and easier lookahead, no rotations. For anyone who is still fighting themselves about switching to roux, just go for it! Any tips?
 
Blocks: Blockbuilding is a difficult thing to teach with tutorials. The two best things you can do are: firstly, do untimed solves. Take your time exploring different options: especially when you start out, there's probably a shorter solution than the one you're doing. Even I'm still finding this is true after using it as my main method for two and a half years! Secondly, look at example solves on YT or reconstructions on the RCDB. Alex Lau's solves tend to be very straightforward so there's quite a bit you might be able to learn from them.

CMLL: There's a bunch of lists here. Imo the Daily CMLL is one of the best lists since there are multiple good options per case: I tried to list every single viable option, without many of slower, more advanced algs you'll find in other docs which aren't important for a beginner.

LSE: Make sure you do it the "proper" way (EO -> ULUR -> EP), rather than solving DF+DB. After that, start looking into slightly more advanced (but still relatively basic) things like cancelling into 4c, and the ULUR shortcuts. Again, looking at example solves and reconstructions will help!

Some people will tell you to avoid doing any solves with your old method while switching methods. I don't agree with this. I've tried this in the past and I just lost all my enjoyment for 3x3. While I would discourage you from using your old method too often, definitely do a session with it once in a while, when you feel like it. Otherwise you'll never finish the switch and you'll find yourself returning to your old method permanently.

Ignore comments like the one below

Can't think of anything else atm but I'll add to this if I remember something.
 
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Just stop. He asked a question, and you're not helping. That's like giving someone directions to a bar when they're trying to get to a Alcohol Anonymous meeting. I could give plenty of reasons that Roux is better than CFOP, and it's an ongoing debate I have with my cubing friends. The thing is, though, nothing ever comes of it. The big three methods are about equal, and you can find people attesting to this all across this website. Some methods are better suited to some people, and others to other people. If he wants to switch to Roux, it's his decision to make. I personally think you should, but make sure you check out both CFOP and ZZ before committing. I understand that you may be rather prestigious feeling (trying to learn ZBLL anyone?), but I was the same way. I've switched methods more times than I care to count, and there were a few times I was set on learning ZBLL. Make sure you make the right decision, so you don't waste time switching later. A few resources I've found very helpful are the Roux-tubing channels. Watch videos by Kian Mansour, Kangaroux, Guroux, and such. If I missed any, feel free to remind me. Kian's got a nice collection of algs on his website.
Have fun, and don't be discouraged!
Viva la Rouxvolution!
 
Sue Doenim said:
Just stop. He asked a question, and you're not helping. That's like giving someone directions to a bar when they're trying to get to a Alcohol Anonymous meeting. I could give plenty of reasons that Roux is better than CFOP, and it's an ongoing debate I have with my cubing friends. The thing is, though, nothing ever comes of it. The big three methods are about equal, and you can find people attesting to this all across this website. Some methods are better suited to some people, and others to other people. If he wants to switch to Roux, it's his decision to make. I personally think you should, but make sure you check out both CFOP and ZZ before committing. I understand that you may be rather prestigious feeling (trying to learn ZBLL anyone?), but I was the same way. I've switched methods more times than I care to count, and there were a few times I was set on learning ZBLL. Make sure you make the right decision, so you don't waste time switching later. A few resources I've found very helpful are the Roux-tubing channels. Watch videos by Kian Mansour, Kangaroux, Guroux, and such. If I missed any, feel free to remind me. Kian's got a nice collection of algs on his website.
Have fun, and don't be discouraged!
Viva la Rouxvolution!
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He asked for tips and I gave him mine. It would be less of asking for a location of alcohol anonymous meeting and giving him the location to the bar then the other way around if anything. Roux if fun built in my opinion cfop is the way to go :)
 
Underwatercuber said:
He asked for tips and I gave him mine. It would be less of asking for a location of alcohol anonymous meeting and giving him the location to the bar then the other way around if anything. Roux if fun built in my opinion cfop is the way to go :)
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I suppose I may have overreacted. It would be more like giving someone directions to Wendy's when they're trying to get to MacDonald's. They're both ways to get food. You might think it's better, and they might not. The thing is, he didn't ask if he should switch, he wanted help doing it, and it would be more helpful if you weren't trying to dissuade him from doing so. anyway, no hard feelings, but I will ask that you refrain from acting like this in the future.
 
I'm working on getting better with Roux, and right now I'm working on getting to sub-20. What movecount should I try to limit myself to for my first block, and what should my splits be?
 
Aerma said:
I'm working on getting better with Roux, and right now I'm working on getting to sub-20. What movecount should I try to limit myself to for my first block, and what should my splits be?
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Start out with a limit of 11-12, and gradually reduce it. For sub-20, I'd say suitable splits are 3-6-4-6, or thereabouts.
 
This has probably been proposed before because it is pretty easy to come up with, but I found this Roux variation and would like to hear your opinions on why the original Roux method is better (or not) than this:

1 first block
2 second block
3a\ orient edges using <M,U> ( = step 4a in original method)
3b\ place UL/UR edges in DF/DB position (or place UF/UB in this position), center colors of M slice doesn't matter. (=part of step 4b)
4\ COLL
5a\ place UL/UR (or UF/UB) in their home position (=part of step 4b)
5b\ finish M slice ( = step 4c in original method)

Why I think this variation of Roux can be good:

A) Instead of learning multiple algorithms to influence EO you can influence EO during completion of step 2 and avoid a 6 flip case easily.
B) During step 3 you don't permute or orient the top layer edges. This means you can recognize the COLL case during step 3. This should eliminate any pause before CxLL recognition.
C) Petrus, ZZ and this variation of Roux use the exact same algorithms.

The only downside I can think of is that COLL is by definition worse than CMLL, so this method has more moves than original Roux. The question basically boils down to: is the easy recognition and easy avoidance of 6 flip case worth the additional moves that COLL requires compared to CMLL?
 
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