Easy / Lucky / Hard / Weird scrambles Thread

[notfeliks]

What the hell? lol R2 D' F2 D' L2 D' B2 R2 D2 F2 U2 F U' L F L2 D R U R' F. Did orange but only got a 12.84

 

[TDM]

27. 12.29 D L2 D' L2 U' F2 D L2 D' F2 U B' U' L2 U B L2 B' D2 L' D'

I misscrambled but white is still good.

 

[IRNjuggle28]

Very little ZBLS, like 5. I don't intend to learn it any time soon, maybe long term. After ZBLL, I'll be learning OLLCP and Tripod LL, as well as finding better ZBLL algorithms.

Why? I don't understand that at all--are you trying to learn a particular method, or do you just like learning algs and want a large repertoire? If you don't learn ZBLS, or at least VH, ZBLL barely helps you. You still have a 2LLL anytime you don't get an EO skip. And if you use full ZB or VH/ZBLL, which you totally should, OLLCP isn't even useful because you'll never run into OLL cases without edges oriented. Same with Tripod. You already know the relevant cases, and anything without edges oriented isn't a case you'll even face if you're using ZBLL the way it's best used. Why would you learn 400+ algs if you aren't even going to force the LL cases the algs solve?

If you're serious about not wanting to learn ZBLS or VH, who don't you just use F sexy F' and its inverse to do EO, then ZBLL? Then you can use ZBLL for everything except 4flip cases. 6 move alg/ZBLL is going to be as fast or faster than OLLCP/EPLL... right?

It's your choice, I know, and sorry for being so quick to second guess you. But unless you're learning algs simply because you like doing so, and not because you want to use the algs to be fast, I don't know what you're doing.

 

[guysensei1]

Why? I don't understand that at all--are you trying to learn a particular method, or do you just like learning algs and want a large repertoire? If you don't learn ZBLS, or at least VH, ZBLL barely helps you. You still have a 2LLL anytime you don't get an EO skip. And if you use full ZB or VH/ZBLL, which you totally should, OLLCP isn't even useful because you'll never run into OLL cases without edges oriented. Same with Tripod. You already know the relevant cases, and anything without edges oriented isn't a case you'll even face if you're using ZBLL the way it's best used. Why would you learn 400+ algs if you aren't even going to force the LL cases the algs solve?

If you're serious about not wanting to learn ZBLS or VH, who don't you just use F sexy F' and its inverse to do EO, then ZBLL? Then you can use ZBLL for everything except 4flip cases. 6 move alg/ZBLL is going to be as fast or faster than OLLCP/EPLL... right?

It's your choice, I know, and sorry for being so quick to second guess you. But unless you're learning algs simply because you like doing so, and not because you want to use the algs to be fast, I don't know what you're doing.

FMC? He could easily influence edges while blockbuilding.

 

[Bindedsa]

Why? I don't understand that at all--are you trying to learn a particular method, or do you just like learning algs and want a large repertoire? If you don't learn ZBLS, or at least VH, ZBLL barely helps you. You still have a 2LLL anytime you don't get an EO skip. And if you use full ZB or VH/ZBLL, which you totally should, OLLCP isn't even useful because you'll never run into OLL cases without edges oriented. Same with Tripod. You already know the relevant cases, and anything without edges oriented isn't a case you'll even face if you're using ZBLL the way it's best used. Why would you learn 400+ algs if you aren't even going to force the LL cases the algs solve?

If you're serious about not wanting to learn ZBLS or VH, who don't you just use F sexy F' and its inverse to do EO, then ZBLL? Then you can use ZBLL for everything except 4flip cases. 6 move alg/ZBLL is going to be as fast or faster than OLLCP/EPLL... right?

It's your choice, I know, and sorry for being so quick to second guess you. But unless you're learning algs simply because you like doing so, and not because you want to use the algs to be fast, I don't know what you're doing.

I like ZBLL when it comes up and I always orient edges during OH, but I don't find full VH useful two handed and I doubt the hundreds of ZBLS algs would be much better. I use a few cases during solves and do little things so that I get oriented edges more often than 1/8, but If I were really interested in using ZBLL as my only LL method I would switch to ZZ, which I am not going to do anytime soon.

I agree ZBLL isn't going to be the difference between me being sub 12 and being sub 10 or even sub 11, but It's worth learning and the few minutes a day it takes to learn a case is nothing. You are saying ZBLL is best used how it was originally intended, but is that true? No one has really used full ZB successfully. Full VH is similar, using VHLS-COLL-EPLL is not popular, but using COLL is. This is because people are willing to learn 40 algorithms. I am willing to learn 472 algorithms, so why not.

 

[TDM]

F2 B' U2 B' D F' U D F2 B2 R U2 B R F2 U F' B D' F2 B L' D L B
green

 

[RageCuber]

seriously, wat.
27. 12.29 D L2 D' L2 U' F2 D L2 D' F2 U B' U' L2 U B L2 B' D2 L' D'
That has to be the easiest scramble I've ever seen, on both U and D...

Elaborate your post more plz, saying easy or "green" doesn't exactly help

 

[TDM]

Elaborate your post more plz, saying easy or "green" doesn't exactly help

Maybe if you actually try that scramble, and try solving on green on the scramble I said "green" on, you might actually see what I'm talking about...
I think I misscrambled on the scramble you posted, but white is still very easy - try it.

 

[Cale S]

U R2 U' B2 D' L F' B2 R2 B2 L' U' R2 L2 D R2 D' B2 R2 D' F2

5 edges already solved

F2 B' U2 B' D F' U D F2 B2 R U2 B R F2 U F' B D' F2 B L' D L B
green

F B D2 B R2 // x-cross
B' R' [L', B R2 B'] B R B' D B D' U' B [B' D B, U'] U B2 // finish

Solution: F B D2 B R2 B' R' L' B R2 B' L B R' B' D B U' B U' B' D' B U2 B2
25 HTM
alg.cubing.net

 

[SolveThatCube]

U B2 R2 B2 D' R2 U' B2 R2 D2 F2 L D B' F R' B2 R2 D' F

y2
R L F'
U' R' U2 R U R' U' R

Then you make up the rest.

 

[sneaklyfox]

Here is scramble for 3x3 - R2 U2 B2 L2 D2 F2 U2 R2 U2 F2 D' U' L' B F

Whaaaat? 6-move solution.

x2 y'
R' L' F' u' U' L2

Edit: Oops, was already ninja'd and with the exact same solution too haha.

 

[henrysavich]

F' B' U2 D' L D U2 B' L' U2 L Uw' F Uw2 U' F2 Fw2 L' Uw2 B' Uw' B L' R F2 B2 L' F R' F' U2 D F R' B2 L' F' Rw' R Uw

2 move first 2 centers

 

[kinch2002]

Pyra random state: U L U' L' B U' R' U R l'
I got my stackmat out because keyboard is silly on that
0.47

 

[RageCuber]

Maybe if you actually try that scramble, and try solving on green on the scramble I said "green" on, you might actually see what I'm talking about...
I think I misscrambled on the scramble you posted, but white is still very easy - try it.

I already did lol. not everyone has the same solution, but maybe i just suck

 

[SolveThatCube]

R F U2 R2 U' F' U' R' U'

x' y'
R' F R U R' U' F'

Only got .96 on it cos i'm a nub

 

[DanpHan]

2x2 scramble from cstimer
U R2 U R2 U R2 U2 R2 U2
0.88
Solution
y2 L2 U L2 U' L2 U'
lol

 

[goodatthis]

I like ZBLL when it comes up and I always orient edges during OH, but I don't find full VH useful two handed and I doubt the hundreds of ZBLS algs would be much better. I use a few cases during solves and do little things so that I get oriented edges more often than 1/8, but If I were really interested in using ZBLL as my only LL method I would switch to ZZ, which I am not going to do anytime soon.

I agree ZBLL isn't going to be the difference between me being sub 12 and being sub 10 or even sub 11, but It's worth learning and the few minutes a day it takes to learn a case is nothing. You are saying ZBLL is best used how it was originally intended, but is that true? No one has really used full ZB successfully. Full VH is similar, using VHLS-COLL-EPLL is not popular, but using COLL is. This is because people are willing to learn 40 algorithms. I am willing to learn 472 algorithms, so why not.

You should try learning 1LLL next, learn the corners oriented subsets and then you can use WV

 

[guysensei1]

You should try learning 1LLL next, learn the corners oriented subsets and then you can use WV

That subset is called AntiZBLL I think. It has a lot less algs than ZBLL (<200).

In fact, it can be combined with WV/SV algs that ignore EO to be even faster.


EDIT: wait that's what you said.

EDIT2: I've always wondered why no one has learnt this subset.

 

[slinky773]

Scramble: U' D' F' R' B R U R D2 R2 D2 F' R2 F' U2 F U2 R2 F

z2 y // Inspection
R D' L R2 D // Double X-Cross
y U R U' R' // F2L-3rd Pair
y U' R U R' U' R U R' U' R U R' U' // F2L-4th Pair
R U2 R2 F R F' R U2 R' // OLL
U' R U R' y' R2 u' R U' R' U R' u R2 // PLL

First double X-cross ever. I totally didn't see it in inspection; I don't even do X-cross, anyway.

 

[goodatthis]

Scramble: U' D' F' R' B R U R D2 R2 D2 F' R2 F' U2 F U2 R2 F

z2 y // Inspection
R D' L R2 D // Double X-Cross
y U R U' R' // F2L-3rd Pair
y U' R U R' U' R U R' U' R U R' U' // F2L-4th Pair
R U2 R2 F R F' R U2 R' // OLL
U' R U R' y' R2 u' R U' R' U R' u R2 // PLL

First double X-cross ever. I totally didn't see it in inspection; I don't even do X-cross, anyway.

I think I've had about 3 or 4 double X crosses, and they were pretty much FreeFOP. Only 1 was unintentional, I was trying to make a regular Xcross xD

From your start:

B' R B R' // F2L-1
U R' U2 R U B U2 B' R' U R U // to L3C
If you just tack on a pure comm at the end, you get 29 moves. If you go for an insertion, IF says that 27 is optimal.

Skeleton: z2 y R D' L R2 D B' R B R' U R' U2 R U B U2 B' R' U R U